Varangian wrote:Hell, I'm the preachy one!

Hi friend Varangian

I have all sorts of friends Atheists included. I believe in Multi-cultural society.
So you are an Atheist Preacher. I think you said like that. Did you ? Well that makes Atheism a Faith; but you won't admit it, in my opinion, as your Atheist friends won't like it.
Is it so?

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

paarsurrey wrote:

Varangian wrote:Hell, I'm the preachy one!

Hi friend Varangian

I have all sorts of friends Atheists included. I believe in Multi-cultural society.
So you are an Atheist Preacher. I think you said like that. Did you ? Well that makes Atheism a Faith; but you won't admit it, in my opinion, as your Atheist friends won't like it.
Is it so?

Oh no, not another believer thinking atheism is a religion... It is obvious you missed the tone of my comment, and read far too much into it instead. When I wrote that I'm the preachy one, it was to imply that my religious friends don't bring up religion. I, on the other hand, bring up non-believing at times. How the hell that makes it a faith eludes me. BTW, multi-culturalism is mainly an excuse for those who want to bring their outdated superstitions into the 21st century.

Peace, or something.

Its easy for me to get along with my theist friends, I simply don't bring up religion.
Not that difficult.
Although my friends are so vague in their beliefs (except for the creationist one) you could hardly call them religious at all.

i married a muslim and at first was forced to convert and then really converted until sep.11 when i snapped out of it.
i'm staying in a muslim country with most people being theist,say 99%~
i can't talk about that i'm atheist and have to lie and pretend sometimes to cover myself.
i want to leave but not sure how,i'd have to abandon my kids because i have no right to take them,especially if my husband and relatives would find out about my religious views.
all my good friends are atheist which i knew from before i left europe or i met here when they came here to stay just for a while or friends i made over the internet.

cherries wrote:i married a muslim and at first was forced to convert and then really converted until sep.11 when i snapped out of it.
i'm staying in a muslim country with most people being theist,say 99%~
i can't talk about that i'm atheist and have to lie and pretend sometimes to cover myself.
i want to leave but not sure how,i'd have to abandon my kids because i have no right to take them,especially if my husband and relatives would find out about my religious views.
all my good friends are atheist which i knew from before i left europe or i met here when they came here to stay just for a while or friends i made over the internet.

WOW! I can't imagine how hard that would be!! I wish I could help somehow.

thanks,i think there are quite a number of people in this situation.i have a friend who is starting to doubt all this religious crap whom i'm trying to support.same situation like me.

All our friends are religious, with a few Unitarians thrown in. The common theme is a fish fry or a potluck dinner. My daughter played volleyball with the Catholic team for a year.

Tero wrote:All our friends are religious, with a few Unitarians thrown in. The common theme is a fish fry or a potluck dinner. My daughter played volleyball with the Catholic team for a year.

Hi friend "Tero"

How is your experience with the religious people?

Thanks

I had to end my friendship with someone bc of her belief in LOA. I had no problem with her believing it, it was the preaching that drove me nuts.

SpiritualNotReligius wrote:
I like people. If I want to argue religion, I can get on a forum. Otherwise I'm a firm believer in staying away from politics and religion in real life most of the time.

Exactly. I know quite a few people that are fundamentalists, in which their beliefs come up often, but it's not done in a demeaning way at all, but more as if that's just the way it is. One girl I worked with who became a good friend of mine was just bubbly as hell and outgoing, down to earth and a strict believer of her religion. But, for some reason it didn't bother me.

It's strange, because when we come onto forums like this, or RDF or wherever and when you see a person standing up for their faith, it's a tad annoying - maybe depends on how the person is going about doing it. However, I can see this friend of mine in a forum situation, possibly going on about her religion and standing up for it. Why it isn't annoying in a real life situation, yet on forums it is - I'm not so sure. Maybe it's because on forums we're missing a lot of other attributes that person might have.

But the idea of mass religious groups infiltrating our politics, education, etc. is intolerable. Yet these groups are made up of the very people that can be our close friends. It's almost as if the group dynamic brings about an extra source of power & corruption that an individual may not feel empowered to on their own.

I think people are just too easily persuaded by senseless ideas that spread like wild fire within a group atmosphere - even if the individual person may not know the exact reasoning of an idea. Without the influence of others, individual people on their own may not get caught up in such extremist views. (?)

Mantisdreamz wrote:

SpiritualNotReligius wrote:
I like people. If I want to argue religion, I can get on a forum. Otherwise I'm a firm believer in staying away from politics and religion in real life most of the time.

Exactly. I know quite a few people that are fundamentalists, in which their beliefs come up often, but it's not done in a demeaning way at all, but more as if that's just the way it is. One girl I worked with who became a good friend of mine was just bubbly as hell and outgoing, down to earth and a strict believer of her religion. But, for some reason it didn't bother me.

It's strange, because when we come onto forums like this, or RDF or wherever and when you see a person standing up for their faith, it's a tad annoying - maybe depends on how the person is going about doing it. However, I can see this friend of mine in a forum situation, possibly going on about her religion and standing up for it. Why it isn't annoying in a real life situation, yet on forums it is - I'm not so sure. Maybe it's because on forums we're missing a lot of other attributes that person might have.

But the idea of mass religious groups infiltrating our politics, education, etc. is intolerable. Yet these groups are made up of the very people that can be our close friends. It's almost as if the group dynamic brings about an extra source of power & corruption that an individual may not feel empowered to on their own.

I think people are just too easily persuaded by senseless ideas that spread like wild fire within a group atmosphere - even if the individual person may not know the exact reasoning of an idea. Without the influence of others, individual people on their own may not get caught up in such extremist views. (?)

Hi friends

It is the same with the Atheists Agnostcs.

Thanks

Is it me or does paarsurrey come across like a robot?

BigRed wrote:Is it me or does paarsurrey come across like a robot?

Begin with "Hi friends", continue with some random phrase based on a random sentence in a previous post, disable the spellcheck, end with "Thanks". Hmmm... you might be on to something there...

paarsurrey wrote:

Mantisdreamz wrote:

SpiritualNotReligius wrote:
I like people. If I want to argue religion, I can get on a forum. Otherwise I'm a firm believer in staying away from politics and religion in real life most of the time.

Exactly. I know quite a few people that are fundamentalists, in which their beliefs come up often, but it's not done in a demeaning way at all, but more as if that's just the way it is. One girl I worked with who became a good friend of mine was just bubbly as hell and outgoing, down to earth and a strict believer of her religion. But, for some reason it didn't bother me.

It's strange, because when we come onto forums like this, or RDF or wherever and when you see a person standing up for their faith, it's a tad annoying - maybe depends on how the person is going about doing it. However, I can see this friend of mine in a forum situation, possibly going on about her religion and standing up for it. Why it isn't annoying in a real life situation, yet on forums it is - I'm not so sure. Maybe it's because on forums we're missing a lot of other attributes that person might have.

But the idea of mass religious groups infiltrating our politics, education, etc. is intolerable. Yet these groups are made up of the very people that can be our close friends. It's almost as if the group dynamic brings about an extra source of power & corruption that an individual may not feel empowered to on their own.

I think people are just too easily persuaded by senseless ideas that spread like wild fire within a group atmosphere - even if the individual person may not know the exact reasoning of an idea. Without the influence of others, individual people on their own may not get caught up in such extremist views. (?)

Hi friends

It is the same with the Atheists Agnostcs.

Thanks

I thought this may come up as well.

paarsurrey wrote:
Hi friends

It is the same with the Atheists Agnostcs. [responding to, "I think people are just too easily persuaded by senseless ideas."}

Er, yes, of course. Because accepting things that are supported by a mountain of evidence is the same thing as believing in a religion that has no support from reality.

cherries wrote:i married a muslim and at first was forced to convert and then really converted until sep.11 when i snapped out of it.
i'm staying in a muslim country with most people being theist,say 99%~
i can't talk about that i'm atheist and have to lie and pretend sometimes to cover myself.
i want to leave but not sure how,i'd have to abandon my kids because i have no right to take them,especially if my husband and relatives would find out about my religious views.
all my good friends are atheist which i knew from before i left europe or i met here when they came here to stay just for a while or friends i made over the internet.

Cherries, I feel for you. It's a tough situation. But, children grow up eventually ...
Would you mind telling us where you live? I'm asking because of the laws. When you said you were forced to convert, was that because of the law as well or because of pressure from the husband's family?

the law and the family following it.a lot westerners convert that way,my friends daughter is involved with a local at the moment and if it gets serious she'll have to convert too.

Got quite a few, some did try to discuss religion, especially the muslim ones, and got torn apart pretty quickly so they don't discuss it at all now.

thanks for the answers cherries