Cito di Pense wrote:

Johnny Blade wrote:I have actually taken a rather controversial position

No, you have not done so, because you haven't stated your position anywhere. Furthermore, you are in no position to do so, what with the minimal discursive skill set you put on display. Don't hide your light under a bushel, Johnny. Bring the presence of god into the conversation. Show us your great stuff, Johnny.

Johnny Blade wrote: Where do you want to start?

Johnny Blade wrote:

Cito di Pense wrote:

Johnny Blade wrote:I have actually taken a rather controversial position

No, you have not done so, because you haven't stated your position anywhere. Furthermore, you are in no position to do so, what with the minimal discursive skill set you put on display. Don't hide your light under a bushel, Johnny. Bring the presence of god into the conversation. Show us your great stuff, Johnny.

Well, I think that, if you were seriously open to the idea of us not coming from a giant cosmic fart, then a lot of things would just start to fall in to place on its own for you.

If you want to talk about God, then sure we can do that. Where do you want to start?

"seriously open to the idea of us not coming from a giant cosmic fart"

Cito di Pense wrote:
Us? Coming from? What is it you're on about? Not just us, Johnny. Everything. What's so important about "us"? Especially if this is the kind of conversation you'd urge "us" to have. With that, we see you're just all about anthropocentric theism. Fuck off with that. Humans are important only to themselves and their cats.

You seem to be the one who wants to talk about "god", but still you ask someone else to feed you your lines. Otherwise, god is whatever anyone wants it to be. You can claim your xian bible is word-for-word true, so your god is the god of the xian bible. I don't use the word in serious conversations with serious people. Try saying "god is nothing". It's nonsense. Try saying "god is everything". Still nonsense. Try to be specific. It's still nonsense. Your god is nothing but a shrill infantile tantrum of contempt for intellectual achievement.

romansh wrote:
Tell me what you mean by God

romansh wrote:... personally, I am quite comfortable with some kind of ignosticism or theological non-cognitivism.

How about some kind of pantheism where our cosmos and god are the same thing?

Fenrir wrote:You also suck at limericks

Johnny Blade wrote:
Look at Cito. His god is an undefined, oblivion. And that's where his god is leading him. The center of black hole. And so he says humans are unimportant. That wasn't a slip up.

Johnny Blade wrote:
A creator intellect outside of the physical realm, who made us conscious, freewill beings that have the ability to love or hate, formed in a specific, physical image.

Johnny Blade wrote:For all practical purposes, atheism is pantheism. No one believes the universe was made in a factory somewhere in China. Theists and Atheists both appeal to the supernatural as being the ultimate origin of our existence. Don't they?

Johnny Blade wrote:
For all practical purposes...

Cito di Pense wrote:

Johnny Blade wrote:
Look at Cito. His god is an undefined, oblivion. And that's where his god is leading him. The center of black hole. And so he says humans are unimportant. That wasn't a slip up.

I said "humans are important only to themselves" (and their cats, of course). Don't misrepresent my statements, because there are rules here against doing that. In your blitheringly stupid theistic universe humans are important to god, but you need to do more than just believe in god, Johnny, and write blitheringly stupid limericks, in order to convert anyone. Get busy.

Johnny Blade wrote:you can send me a pm and we can work out the details

Cito di Pense wrote:

Johnny Blade wrote:you can send me a pm and we can work out the details

... and you can go take a flying fuck at a rolling purple donut...

Johnny Blade wrote:

Cito di Pense wrote:

Johnny Blade wrote:you can send me a pm and we can work out the details

... and you can go take a flying fuck at a rolling purple donut...

You sure?

Johnny Blade wrote:
A creator intellect outside of the physical realm, who made us conscious, freewill beings that have the ability to love or hate, formed in a specific, physical image.

Cito di Pense wrote:

I've listened to a lot of proselytizing, face to face. Do you really imagine you have anything new to tell me? But hey, that's what they all imagine. This is what should have done it, right?

Johnny Blade wrote:
A creator intellect outside of the physical realm, who made us conscious, freewill beings that have the ability to love or hate, formed in a specific, physical image.

I was really hoping you'd sport something a little more creative than this. You can read the thread "On idealism, repeated" to see how much of your brand of bullshit this forum has seen, all of it (as banal and boring as it was) is still better than anything I've seen from you. You really have to be dense to use words like "outside the physical realm", and that's because outside and inside are physical constraints. Maybe you meant "athwart the physical realm", but your vocabulary wasn't up to it.

Johnny Blade wrote: