Hello everybody, this is my first post in this forum.

So we're all well aware of the fallacious arguments of the Atheism+ people and how they overreact to minute stuff. I mostly agree with thunderfoot's take on most of the events, but I came across a Youtuber who is trying (a little too hard in my opinion) to stay neutral to the whole thing, tooltime9901. While I have no doubt that there's something wrong with the A+ folk, I find some of this guy's criticisms to be worthy of discussion. For now, I'll just post the videos so you guys can watch.







So do you think his points are valid or is he being too neutral to seem better than everybody else?

Welcome to the forum Bruno!

Hi Bruno, welcome.

How about you give us your take on each individual video and we'll take it from there. I do like his Anita S videos he is doing now though.

Lentes wrote:Hello everybody, this is my first post in this forum.

So we're all well aware of the fallacious arguments of the Atheism+ people and how they overreact to minute stuff. I mostly agree with thunderfoot's take on most of the events, but I came across a Youtuber who is trying (a little too hard in my opinion) to stay neutral to the whole thing, tooltime9901. While I have no doubt that there's something wrong with the A+ folk, I find some of this guy's criticisms to be worthy of discussion. For now, I'll just post the videos so you guys can watch.







So do you think his points are valid or is he being too neutral to seem better than everybody else?

Personally I think that the guy is a dickhead able to make youtube videos.

Hi tooltime9901, welcome.

Made of Stars wrote:Hi tooltime9901, welcome.

hahaha no I'm not tooltime!

I'll be posting my opinion on some points he made tomorrow! Thanks for the welcome guys!

Lentes wrote:

Made of Stars wrote:Hi tooltime9901, welcome.

hahaha no I'm not tooltime!

I'll be posting my opinion on some points he made tomorrow! Thanks for the welcome guys!

Lentes wrote:I find some of this guy's criticisms to be worthy of discussion.

And when you actually come back and explain why those criticisms are worthy of discussion, we'll have something to talk about. Other, that is, then the perennial notion that whenever somebody says something, we have to address it rhetorically. OK, let's play that game.

I don't see anything worthy of discussion. I see only a nobody trying to poke holes in the work of someone who's more well-known than the nobody is, and using accusations of 'hypocrisy' to ask how Atheism+ can be considered both inconsequential and threatening. In the first video, tooltime spends considerable effort showing off his confusion about the concepts of 'some feminists' and 'all feminists', a prominent venue in which some people take 'some' and 'all' to be synonyms.

If tooltime has any ideas about what we would better spend our time on, he hasn't put them on display for me. He tends to stop with platitudes about how all social problems should be addressed seriously. We have just another droning voice urging a Movement to focus on What's Important. Both the representatives of Atheism+ and tooltime, here, are focused on what the Movement should be doing, and all that's left there is shouting about who's going to lead the thing. I've seen it at CFI, too, that some people think they have an incipient political party. Maybe, someday, a non-theist will be King.

I like that you put this thread in non-theism, because even without God to kick around, there's still lots of room for woo. The first video is fascinating in that regard, as the first minutes of it review for us the buzzwords of trendy social theory, boundaries, community, parse, The Other, identity, cyber-balkanisation, investment, consequence, pseudonym, and so on.

Your thread title gives some more away, too, in the triviality of critiquing being against some species of against-ness. Is tooltime in favour of anything? I doubt it. It's the battle of the competing camps of groupthink. If you want to be in a Movement, then you have to sign up for some groupthink. If someone can't hack feminism without confusing the terms 'some' and 'all', it's not my problem.

Listen to ol' tooltime at about 7:40 in the first video: "I totally advocate Skepticism." You can hear the uppercase in his voice. You can also hear the voice of someone who finds that when some feminists are critiqued, the whole concept of feminism is being dissed. In what universe has it ever been shown that atheism has anything to do with solving social problems other than those induced by believing in an invisible friend who has a plan for the world?

Wow! Cito you make me seem nice.

Personally, I tend to doubt the value of any criticism that neither employs the word "mantwat" nor offers any cooking recipes.