Determinism ends in contradiction

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Determinism ends in contradiction

#1  Postby jnana » Mar 26, 2024 12:16 pm

Magister colin leslie dean has shown

Determinism shown to end in Meaninglessness nonsense

Causal determinism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinism

“Causal determinism, sometimes synonymous with historical determinism (a sort of path dependence), is "the idea that every event is necessitated by antecedent events and conditions together with the laws of nature." “Causal determinism has also been considered more generally as the idea that everything that happens or exists is caused by antecedent conditions”


take the 3 body problem –as a simplification of all things in the universe

But note all the universe is made up of things in interrelationships with everything else

if we take Newton’s law of gravitation

F = G(m1m2)/R2.

Thus when we move object A it effects the other two objects B and C
But when objects B and C move that effects object A


So

we can say that A in effect caused its own motion
thus we can say the antecedent cause of A is infact just the antecedent A itself

in other words the cause of the cause is the cause

just nonsense meaninglessness

note

because all things in the universe are interrelationships with everything else

then

from the above all things are their own antecedent cause

just nonsense meaninglessness

note these actions must take place instantaneously thus contradicting the theory of relativity that says that nothing can go faster than the speed of light

thus causation is both logically nonsense and invalidates relativity and with causation being meaningless nonsense science itself must then be meaningless nonsense


http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp ... ssness.pdf

or

http://www.scribd.com/document/71676056 ... nt-physics
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Re: Determinism ends in contradiction

#2  Postby The_Metatron » Mar 26, 2024 9:53 pm

You come here using a complex technological amalgam of products of decades of scientific advances to tell us science is meaningless nonsense.

How does that work, exactly?
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Re: Determinism ends in contradiction

#3  Postby Fenrir » Mar 26, 2024 10:00 pm

DNA wrote:Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist,'" says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "The Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
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Re: Determinism ends in contradiction

#4  Postby jnana » Mar 26, 2024 10:24 pm

You come here using a complex technological amalgam of products of decades of scientific advances to tell us science is meaningless nonsense.

How does that work, exactly?


you seem to think that because a theory/science works then its theories must be true-pragmatism -you dont seem to know that your own science proves pragmatism to be rubbish

but

apart from determinism ending in meaningless nonsense thus that mechanistic view of science ie causality is nonsense

go read for more detail the utter rubbish of science and mathematics


scientific reality is only the reality of a monkey (homo-sapien)

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp ... monkey.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/6606078 ... f-a-Monkey

and

The-Anthropology-of-science

(science is a mythology) ie the scientific

method is a myth

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp ... cience.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/5126836 ... of-Science



Scientific reality is textual

http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com/wp ... extual.pdf

or

https://www.scribd.com/document/5726391 ... is-Textual

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#5  Postby The_Metatron » Mar 26, 2024 10:48 pm

Do you have any thoughts of your own on this, or do you expect someone here to argue with the links you post?

I know I can use science to test ideas, arriving at what works. How do you do it?
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Re: Determinism ends in contradiction

#6  Postby Fenrir » Mar 26, 2024 11:19 pm

Pfft.

How could you even think about questioning the untouchable logic of "australias leading erotic poet"

Straight up scientism that is.

They theoretically have a grad cert in literature donchaknow.

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Re: Determinism ends in contradiction

#7  Postby kiore » Mar 27, 2024 3:54 am

Was hoping for a new take on this to spur discussion but instead the same old blah really disappointing.
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Re: Determinism ends in contradiction

#8  Postby THWOTH » Mar 27, 2024 7:14 am

I'm sure they've visited these amazing revaluations on us before. But then again, the nutrient solution in my vat does need changing.
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