My Hypothesis on the Vacuum Catastrophe

Combining String Theory & The Cosmological Constant

Study matter and its motion through spacetime...

Moderators: kiore, Blip, The_Metatron

Re: My Hypothesis on the Vacuum Catastrophe

#21  Postby Bewildered » Oct 26, 2010 6:52 pm

Hi,

I opened this bc the OP sent me a pm asking for input. In general it's a better idea to just post questions like this on a science or physics forum with experts keen on answering questions as a form of outreach. I don't post on those forums, not sure if i have the patience, and tbh I don't want to encourage people to pm this stuff, especially until I block email notifications of pms. i only signed up for this forum bc i saw some crank abusing a colleague and confusing others and I got annoyed, almost all my posts are me telling him off. If you are interested in particle physics / cosmology though, I suggest the best way thing to do would be to satisfy your curiosity by doing a physics (or maths) degree and then taking specialist courses at the end.

Anyway looks like you have already had some of the problems with your understanding pointed out by other posters.

Let me just clarify that the cosmological constant problem is a fine tuning issue, because I think you have misunderstood that point slightly. The problem is that we know some contributions give something of the order 10^120 and this must be cancelled by other seemingly unrelated contributions to leave something of order 1, which would be a pretty amazing coincidence unless we can find some underlying reason for this. Here is the proceedings from a talk on this by weinberg which explains the problem in a very simple way on the first page. note the numbers are different, partly because of units, which i didn't specify and because he is only assuming we understand the physics up to 100 GeV, which is what we have experimentally probed, whereas my numbers, which are more commonly quoted, assume an effective theory which holds up to the Planck scale, where new physics to describe gravity must enter.

With theories of extra dimensions (which one needs in string theory bit can also imagine indepently of that btw) one always has to explain how the world we observe is four dimensional. To do this either the unobserved extra dimensions are compactified in some way or we are localised to a four dimensional brane of the higher dimensional space.

I *really* want to make a joke about hairy balls...
Bewildered
 
Posts: 103

Print view this post

Re: My Hypothesis on the Vacuum Catastrophe

#22  Postby Loke » Oct 26, 2010 7:19 pm

Bewildered wrote:
Let me just clarify that the cosmological constant problem is a fine tuning issue, because I think you have misunderstood that point slightly.


So it may not have anything to do with the Cosmological Constant - so what would it imply?
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence

Bertrand Russell

But wisdom is proved right by her actions

Matthew 11:19


Best Post of All Time Award? FAQ

I've coined my own law! :party:
User avatar
Loke
Banned User
THREAD STARTER
 
Name: Harrison
Posts: 559
Age: 59
Male

Country: England
United Kingdom (uk)
Print view this post

Re: My Hypothesis on the Vacuum Catastrophe

#23  Postby Loke » Oct 26, 2010 7:24 pm

So is compactification essentially finding a way to make extra-dimensions very small :?:
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence

Bertrand Russell

But wisdom is proved right by her actions

Matthew 11:19


Best Post of All Time Award? FAQ

I've coined my own law! :party:
User avatar
Loke
Banned User
THREAD STARTER
 
Name: Harrison
Posts: 559
Age: 59
Male

Country: England
United Kingdom (uk)
Print view this post

Re: My Hypothesis on the Vacuum Catastrophe

#24  Postby twistor59 » Oct 26, 2010 7:50 pm

Loke wrote:
Bewildered wrote:
Let me just clarify that the cosmological constant problem is a fine tuning issue, because I think you have misunderstood that point slightly.


So it may not have anything to do with the Cosmological Constant - so what would it imply?


I don't really see how it implies anything. For reasons explained above, it isn't really possible to deduce any hairy ball-style vanishing theorem for the total (matter+gravity) energy because:

1 The gravitational contribution to the total energy is non-local and there is no universally agreed definition of it
2 The energy just isn't a vector field quantity, and even if it was:
3 We don't know what the topology of spacetime is, so can't make deductions about vanishing of vector fields
A soul in tension that's learning to fly
Condition grounded but determined to try
Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies
Tongue-tied and twisted just an earthbound misfit, I
User avatar
twistor59
RS Donator
 
Posts: 4966
Male

United Kingdom (uk)
Print view this post

Re: My Hypothesis on the Vacuum Catastrophe

#25  Postby Nautilidae » Oct 27, 2010 3:50 pm

Loke wrote:So is compactification essentially finding a way to make extra-dimensions very small :?:


Yes. Compactification is essentially making a space of certain dimensions LOOK as if it's a lower dimensional space. In the case of string theory, the Calabi-Yau manifolds are placed at every point in spacetime. However, the Calabi-Yaus are of the Planck scale, so to large objects like humans and planets, the universe LOOKS 4 dimensional because the extra dimensions are too small for us to directly experience. However, a string is small enough to experience those small dimensions, so to a string, the universe is 10 dimensional.

EDIT: Here is a picture to help imagine it:

Image

The grid would be the 3 spatial dimensions that we experience. The Calabi-Yau manifolds are the curled up dimensions that the strings experience.
Last edited by Nautilidae on Oct 27, 2010 3:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
User avatar
Nautilidae
RS Donator
 
Posts: 4231
Age: 29
Male

Country: United States
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: My Hypothesis on the Vacuum Catastrophe

#26  Postby Loke » Oct 27, 2010 3:55 pm

Nautilidae wrote:
Loke wrote:So is compactification essentially finding a way to make extra-dimensions very small :?:


Yes. Compactification is essentially making a space of certain dimensions LOOK as if it's a lower dimensional space. In the case of string theory, the Calabi-Yau manifolds are placed at every point in spacetime. However, the Calabi-Yaus are of the Planck scale, so to large objects like humans and planets, the universe LOOKS 4 dimensional because the extra dimensions are too small for us to directly experience. However, a string is small enough to experience those small dimensions, so to a string, the universe is 10 dimensional.

:thumbup: :cheers:
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence

Bertrand Russell

But wisdom is proved right by her actions

Matthew 11:19


Best Post of All Time Award? FAQ

I've coined my own law! :party:
User avatar
Loke
Banned User
THREAD STARTER
 
Name: Harrison
Posts: 559
Age: 59
Male

Country: England
United Kingdom (uk)
Print view this post

Re: My Hypothesis on the Vacuum Catastrophe

#27  Postby Nautilidae » Oct 27, 2010 3:58 pm

Loke wrote:
Nautilidae wrote:
Loke wrote:So is compactification essentially finding a way to make extra-dimensions very small :?:


Yes. Compactification is essentially making a space of certain dimensions LOOK as if it's a lower dimensional space. In the case of string theory, the Calabi-Yau manifolds are placed at every point in spacetime. However, the Calabi-Yaus are of the Planck scale, so to large objects like humans and planets, the universe LOOKS 4 dimensional because the extra dimensions are too small for us to directly experience. However, a string is small enough to experience those small dimensions, so to a string, the universe is 10 dimensional.

:thumbup: :cheers:


Picture added. :cheers:
User avatar
Nautilidae
RS Donator
 
Posts: 4231
Age: 29
Male

Country: United States
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: My Hypothesis on the Vacuum Catastrophe

#28  Postby Loke » Oct 27, 2010 4:01 pm

;)
So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence

Bertrand Russell

But wisdom is proved right by her actions

Matthew 11:19


Best Post of All Time Award? FAQ

I've coined my own law! :party:
User avatar
Loke
Banned User
THREAD STARTER
 
Name: Harrison
Posts: 559
Age: 59
Male

Country: England
United Kingdom (uk)
Print view this post

Previous

Return to Physics

Who is online

Users viewing this topic: No registered users and 1 guest