Expanding earth. Do the continents wind back to a sphere

kiore · **#10421** by **kiore** » May 23, 2016 11:30 pm

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lucek · **#10422** by **lucek** » May 23, 2016 11:41 pm

I'm actually not sure if this counts as discussing moderation in the thread but broken links.

Newstein · **#10423** by **Newstein** » May 24, 2016 8:04 am

I just won't say anything more.
Great forum!!! :grin:

felltoearth · **#10424** by **felltoearth** » May 24, 2016 12:33 pm

Newstein wrote:I just won't say anything more.
Great forum!!!

You've typed a lot, but you haven't actually said anything.

THWOTH · **#10425** by **THWOTH** » May 24, 2016 12:45 pm

Newstein wrote:
THWOTH wrote:
Oh but it is, gravity is vital here. But do feel free to skip it (as that in itself speaks volumes) and go straight to your rendition of convection - but not of the hot air variety please...

Funny you mention gravity and convection at the same time.
Why doesn't gravity pull the upward movement of the magma down to the core?

Funny how you dodge the question by asking another one.

Newstein wrote:I have nothing to say about convection. It's a fairytale. A joke to explain Plate Tectonics.
For me, it is non-existent because there is no proof. And if there were some 'boiling magma flows', it's impossible to move continents that weigh thousands of trillion of tons.
You know why? Because there can only be friction at the very last cm between the moving magma and the underside of the plate. Even when the magma travels at 100miles/h, the plate would not move.

No proof of convection eh? Must be cold in your house. Absolutely freezing. Your hypothesis is gish galloping over the horizon like wild horses.

tolman · **#10426** by **tolman** » May 24, 2016 1:04 pm

THWOTH wrote:
Newstein wrote:I have nothing to say about convection. It's a fairytale. A joke to explain Plate Tectonics.
For me, it is non-existent because there is no proof. And if there were some 'boiling magma flows', it's impossible to move continents that weigh thousands of trillion of tons.
You know why? Because there can only be friction at the very last cm between the moving magma and the underside of the plate. Even when the magma travels at 100miles/h, the plate would not move.

No proof of convection eh? Must be cold in your house. Absolutely freezing. Your hypothesis is gish galloping over the horizon like wild horses.

Maybe the heat from his heating system just hangs around near the floor?

Cito di Pense · **#10427** by **Cito di Pense** » May 24, 2016 1:10 pm

felltoearth wrote:
Newstein wrote:I just won't say anything more.
Great forum!!!

You've typed a lot, but you haven't actually said anything.

Say something once, why say it again?

tolman · **#10428** by **tolman** » May 24, 2016 1:39 pm

Possibly the first line of the song is most relevant to Newstein.

felltoearth · **#10429** by **felltoearth** » May 24, 2016 1:56 pm

Cito di Pense wrote:
felltoearth wrote:
Newstein wrote:I just won't say anything more.
Great forum!!!

You've typed a lot, but you haven't actually said anything.

Say something once, why say it again?

I'd hardly say his posts are killers.

felltoearth · **#10430** by **felltoearth** » May 24, 2016 1:57 pm

tolman wrote:Possibly the first line of the song is most relevant to Newstein.

ginckgo · **#10431** by **ginckgo** » May 25, 2016 2:06 am

Newstein wrote:
Cito di Pense wrote:
Newstein wrote:Question. How do continents move on a non expanding earth AND WHERE.IS.THE.EVIDENCE??

'Continents' are not entities, except topographically. Continents are lithologically and chemically distinct from the substrate tectonic plates that carry them. There's a property called 'density' you might be interested in. It varies, due to varying bulk mineral composition of the different regions.

The continents are affixed to tectonic plates and move with them. The evidence is geodetic, measured. It's not as if you haven't been reminded of that a few times. Tectonic plates move because of convection in the mantle. The mantle undergoes convection because its top is cooler than its base, and can deform plastically, below the lithosphere, which defines the plates. It's not as if you haven't been reminded of the facts a few times. That's plate tectonics in a nutshell for you, Newstein.

If you don't have any substantive objections, now, please go rattle the beads of somebody who's actually wearing them.

Convection in the mantle... NO proof.

Here, let me google that for you:
12,000 papers just from the past 5 years showing data supports mantle convection

Newstein wrote:And if so, how can you explain a convection cycle that reaches from the North-Pole to the South pole?

Not sure what you mean by this. There are convection cells all throughout the mantle, which makes sense as just a single cell but no convection elsewhere would be very unstable.

Newstein wrote:I do understand plate tectonics, just look at my video. I'm fucking explaining PLATE TECTONICS!!

No, you're battling strawmen in your video and on this forum. We have been pointing out your numerous misconceptions, but you either ignore these posts or dismiss the data out of hand.

Newstein wrote: If I can DEBUNK it, I understand it !!

Back to front: you need to understand it first, before you can falsify it.

Newstein wrote:(but I do not know everything from geology)

Nobody knows everything, but I've given you heaps of information that I know, yet you haven't really integrated that into your body of knowledge.

Newstein wrote:Check this out:

Do you have a drawing program? Do it yourself if you don't believe it. Shell thickness = 480km

Question: DO SOME PARTS OF THE CONTINENT ARE MOVING TO EACH OTHER IN THIS IMAGE?

First off: what's your reasoning for chosing 480km for the shell thickness. That's somewhere in the middle of the upper Mantle, and well below the Asthenosphere.

Most of what is relevant here would at most be occurring from the base of the Asthenosphere up (at most 200km depth). As you probably know, the division of Lithosphere/Asthenosphere is based on the rheology of the rocks, ie how rigid or ductile they behave (as opposed to the Crust/Mantle division, which is based on mineralogical composition change, and the boundary is called the Mohorovicic discontinuity [from seismic studies], and it lies within the Lithosphere)

The reason I'm mentioning this is that your diagram assumes a 'shell' of rock that has the same strength and rigidity from the surface all the way down to a depth of 480km, in order to generate the 'buckling'.

This is obviously not the case, and the increasingly ductile nature of the rocks from on average 100km depth and below allows for a lot of flow and movement. Assuming an expanding earth, the lower parts of your shell are able to flow outwards, and thus the crust would not experience any significant compressive stresses that would be needed for mountain uplift.

ginckgo · **#10432** by **ginckgo** » May 25, 2016 2:09 am

Newstein wrote:OK. Then explain me why there is no mountain formation on the other side of the Pacific. There is a subduction zone, but no mountain formation.

Of course there are mountains, they're called 'Japan' and the 'Philippines' among others

Newstein · **#10433** by **Newstein** » May 29, 2016 5:18 pm

ginckgo wrote:
Newstein wrote:And if so, how can you explain a convection cycle that reaches from the North-Pole to the South pole?

Not sure what you mean by this. There are convection cells all throughout the mantle, which makes sense as just a single cell but no convection elsewhere would be very unstable.

felltoearth · **#10434** by **felltoearth** » May 29, 2016 7:26 pm

Love the avatar, Newstein!

:rofl:

laklak · **#10435** by **laklak** » May 29, 2016 7:51 pm

Lol! Yeah, good one.

Newstein · **#10436** by **Newstein** » May 29, 2016 7:51 pm

felltoearth wrote:Love the avatar, Newstein!

Arnold Layne · **#10437** by **Arnold Layne** » May 29, 2016 8:25 pm

Who are these masons who are exposing themselves? :what:

Newstein · **#10438** by **Newstein** » May 29, 2016 9:03 pm

Arnold Layne wrote:Who are these masons who are exposing themselves?

I got a warning for that. I'm not allowed to talk about this.

BlackBart · **#10439** by **BlackBart** » May 29, 2016 9:17 pm

Banned, yet oddly still here. :teef:

felltoearth · **#10440** by **felltoearth** » May 29, 2016 9:38 pm

BlackBart wrote:Banned, yet oddly still here.

Indeed. It's amazing for all the talk of censorship and banning how small the list of banned members actually is when you remove the sock puppets:

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/feedb ... t2022.html

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