Ven. Kwan Tam Woo wrote:

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:Lol.

One of your most intelligent posts yet.

I'm With Stupid wrote:And to my knowledge, there's not a vast number of incidents of gay people perving in public bathrooms.

purplerat wrote:

Ven. Kwan Tam Woo wrote:

purplerat wrote:

Ven. Kwan Tam Woo wrote:

In other words, you expect taxpayers and small businesses to pay through the nose so that a tiny minority of people can have slightly more scope to indulge in their identity disorders?

Maybe we could tax churches to pay for it, and more. A lot more.

Or maybe we could exclusively tax you and your fellow neo-Marxists to pay for it, seeing as you're the ones who are are so keen on the idea.

Marxist? huh?

I just figure that since the argument against providing for trans people is that it's a silly nonsensical thing that if we do it that we take from other silly nonsensical people who currently receive massive tax advantages over the rest of us.

kiore wrote:I don't even understand why unisex toilets not just the norm, we accept them in our homes after all.

Ven. Kwan Tam Woo wrote:Which means the neo-Marxists can drop this ridiculous moral crusade and concentrate their efforts on getting pedophilia recognized as a legitimate sexual orientation instead

logical bob wrote:

kiore wrote:I don't even understand why unisex toilets not just the norm, we accept them in our homes after all.

According to the females in my family the issue isn't the threat of ogling or assault, it's a perception that male toilets are smellier, less clean and generally not as pleasant to use. For obvious reasons I haven't had the opportunity to check this out in detail, but from the observations I have made I think it may often be true. In many places the male toilet is somewhat malodorous even from outside the door, which is rarely the case with the female toilet. So a move to unisex toilets might well improve male facilities in the same way that swimming pool changing rooms got better.

crank wrote:I'm not really arguing with what you say, I just want to note that there really are lots of public restrooms that are rarely visited, some always, some depending on time of day or season, e.g., park restrooms. None of this matters, assailants aren't stopped by gender signs.

A Detroit woman has filed a lawsuit against restaurant chain Fishbone's after a frightening incident in which she was mistaken for a man and tossed out of a women's bathroom, reports TV station WXYZ.

Cortney Bogorad wears her hair cropped short and is cisgender, meaning she is not a trans woman.

She said after dinner, at 11 p.m. on January 23, she entered the restroom at Fishbone's Rhythm City Cafe. She heard a voice yelling from outside — apparently from a security guard — that "whatever man is in the restroom needs to come out now." Bogorad said she ignored him because she did not realize she was the "man" the guard sought.

This is when the situation got scary, said Bogorad.

The guard allegedly entered the bathroom yelling, "This is a woman's bathroom, if you are a man, come out!" and pulled Bogorad by the arms out of the stall when she opened its door. She said he then pushed her up against the wall, saying "boys aren't allowed in this restroom," according to the Detroit Free Press.

"He was much bigger than me, at least three times my size," Bogorad told WXYZ. In her lawsuit, she explained that she and a friend informed the man repeatedly that she was a woman, and offered to show her legal identification stating that she was female, but the guard refused to see it, instead shouting inches from her face, "Get out of the women's restroom!"

According to Bogorad, the guard then pushed her out of the bathroom where she saw a person she thought might be a restaurant manager. When Bogorad tried to explain to the man that she was a woman and show him her ID, she said he, too, ignored her efforts to prove her identity.

The guard allegedly then took his security badge, and holding it just inches from Bogorad's face, yelled that he was a security guard.

When Bogorad pushed the badge away, that's when she said the guard picked her up "against my will" by the shirt and bra. He then "aggressively" pushed her to the restaurant's front door, exposing her "upper torso" to other customers, and threw her out of the restaurant onto the street outside, causing physical injuries, Bogorad said.

http://www.advocate.com/business/2015/0 ... g-man-sues

proudfootz wrote:All the hoopla in the news feeds will only encourage vigilantes to start attacking women who don't seem 'feminine' enough to use the correct toilet.

A Detroit woman has filed a lawsuit against restaurant chain Fishbone's after a frightening incident in which she was mistaken for a man and tossed out of a women's bathroom, reports TV station WXYZ.

Cortney Bogorad wears her hair cropped short and is cisgender, meaning she is not a trans woman.

She said after dinner, at 11 p.m. on January 23, she entered the restroom at Fishbone's Rhythm City Cafe. She heard a voice yelling from outside — apparently from a security guard — that "whatever man is in the restroom needs to come out now." Bogorad said she ignored him because she did not realize she was the "man" the guard sought.

This is when the situation got scary, said Bogorad.

The guard allegedly entered the bathroom yelling, "This is a woman's bathroom, if you are a man, come out!" and pulled Bogorad by the arms out of the stall when she opened its door. She said he then pushed her up against the wall, saying "boys aren't allowed in this restroom," according to the Detroit Free Press.

"He was much bigger than me, at least three times my size," Bogorad told WXYZ. In her lawsuit, she explained that she and a friend informed the man repeatedly that she was a woman, and offered to show her legal identification stating that she was female, but the guard refused to see it, instead shouting inches from her face, "Get out of the women's restroom!"

According to Bogorad, the guard then pushed her out of the bathroom where she saw a person she thought might be a restaurant manager. When Bogorad tried to explain to the man that she was a woman and show him her ID, she said he, too, ignored her efforts to prove her identity.

The guard allegedly then took his security badge, and holding it just inches from Bogorad's face, yelled that he was a security guard.

When Bogorad pushed the badge away, that's when she said the guard picked her up "against my will" by the shirt and bra. He then "aggressively" pushed her to the restaurant's front door, exposing her "upper torso" to other customers, and threw her out of the restaurant onto the street outside, causing physical injuries, Bogorad said.

http://www.advocate.com/business/2015/0 ... g-man-sues