Posted: Jan 24, 2020 2:04 pm
You're also not following clearly written English.
I did not say 'Don't criticize it' as you've now claimed twice - quite the contrary, I said it would be helpful to actually do so.
What you did was say:
All this does is say that you think it's nonsense and tells him to go away.
Thus, I replied:
You may recall a recent post that was, in essence, quite similar:
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/psych ... 56084.html
The guy is suffering from OCD and believes that he is being told things by a voice in his mind prior to them actually happening. Telling him it's nonsense isn't going to help him - who's he likely to believe? Someone he doesn't know, or his first-hand experience? Instead, if you can reason with the OP, then you might actually be able to help him out... you know, like I wrote to you:
Now, it might turn out that this OP is not interested in being helped, and is instead trying to foist off some artfully crafted snake-oil. However, you're still going to have engaged his idea and thereby force him to come back with something a little more substantive.
Finally, there's no comparison at all with JJ's thread. I didn't just tell him 'that's nonsense, go away'. I spent years talking to the guy long before he started this thread, and provided him with reams of material evidence that contradicts his claims. Even now, after more than a decade, I don't just tell him to go away; I take his claims as they're presented and criticize those claims. I never even momentarily suggested you shouldn't criticize, rather, I specifically said you should do so substantively.
I did not say 'Don't criticize it' as you've now claimed twice - quite the contrary, I said it would be helpful to actually do so.
What you did was say:
Sorry for raining on your maiden post, but I have not heard anyone uttering such unmitigated nonsense since hippies roamed about freely in the wild.
ETA: Oh. I see you're here to spruik a book you wrote.
Go away.
All this does is say that you think it's nonsense and tells him to go away.
Thus, I replied:
If X is real to someone and you just tell them they're an idiot and to go away, they may go away but they still continue to believe X is real. Instead, if you can show them why the seeming real is not logically linked to the actually real, then you may offer them some way of navigating the quagmire they're in.
You may recall a recent post that was, in essence, quite similar:
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/psych ... 56084.html
The guy is suffering from OCD and believes that he is being told things by a voice in his mind prior to them actually happening. Telling him it's nonsense isn't going to help him - who's he likely to believe? Someone he doesn't know, or his first-hand experience? Instead, if you can reason with the OP, then you might actually be able to help him out... you know, like I wrote to you:
Instead, if you can show them why the seeming real is not logically linked to the actually real, then you may offer them some way of navigating the quagmire they're in.
Now, it might turn out that this OP is not interested in being helped, and is instead trying to foist off some artfully crafted snake-oil. However, you're still going to have engaged his idea and thereby force him to come back with something a little more substantive.
Finally, there's no comparison at all with JJ's thread. I didn't just tell him 'that's nonsense, go away'. I spent years talking to the guy long before he started this thread, and provided him with reams of material evidence that contradicts his claims. Even now, after more than a decade, I don't just tell him to go away; I take his claims as they're presented and criticize those claims. I never even momentarily suggested you shouldn't criticize, rather, I specifically said you should do so substantively.