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Progress towards the well-connected rat!

#1  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 01, 2013 4:03 pm

http://www.nicolelislab.net/?p=369

FIRST BRAIN-TO-BRAIN INTERFACE ALLOWS TRANSMISSION OF TACTILE AND MOTOR INFORMATION BETWEEN RATS

A brain-to-brain interface (BTBI) enabled a real-time transfer of behaviorally meaningful sensorimotor information between the brains of two rats.

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2 rats, thousands of miles apart communicate Telepathically

#2  Postby the_5th_ape » Mar 01, 2013 4:52 pm

Two rats — one in North Carolina, the other in Brazil — worked together on a task by communicating telepathically, thanks to implants in their brain.

Electrical signals from a "leader" rat’s brain were collected, encoded and then zapped into the "follower" rat’s cortex in the form of an electrical signal. The follower rat then pressed one of two levers based on a light visible only to the leader rat. The Duke University experiment is the first time two animals have collaborated through such an artificial link, and shows that the mammal brain can be trained to act on electrical signals from another animal.

Miguel Nicolelis, the Duke neuroscientist who led the team from Duke and the International Institute for Neuroscience of Natal in Brazil, believes that information transfer could extend to other senses, too. “You could think about taste, vision — I don’t see any problem doing this,” he told NBC News.

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Re: 2 rats, thousands of miles apart communicate Telepathically

#3  Postby Wiðercora » Mar 01, 2013 4:55 pm

I haven't read the article, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say - no they didn't.

Am I right, or is it actually worth reading?
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#4  Postby DarthHelmet86 » Mar 01, 2013 5:02 pm

Not really telepathically is it. Sounds cool and all, but it isn't what most people would call telepathy.
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Re: 2 rats, thousands of miles apart communicate Telepathically

#5  Postby Shrunk » Mar 01, 2013 5:05 pm

Wiðercora wrote:I haven't read the article, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say - no they didn't.

Am I right, or is it actually worth reading?


You're right, they didn't. But it's still worth reading. It's an interesting experiment.
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Re: 2 rats, thousands of miles apart communicate Telepathically

#6  Postby Wiðercora » Mar 01, 2013 5:09 pm

Shrunk wrote:
Wiðercora wrote:I haven't read the article, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say - no they didn't.

Am I right, or is it actually worth reading?


You're right, they didn't. But it's still worth reading. It's an interesting experiment.


It was interesting. Certainly not telepathy, but headline writers do seem to regard factual accuracy as a mere inconvenience to be circumvented rather than a standard to attain.
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Re: 2 rats, thousands of miles apart communicate Telepathically

#7  Postby Matthew Shute » Mar 01, 2013 5:16 pm

Wiðercora wrote:
Shrunk wrote:
Wiðercora wrote:I haven't read the article, but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say - no they didn't.

Am I right, or is it actually worth reading?


You're right, they didn't. But it's still worth reading. It's an interesting experiment.


It was interesting. Certainly not telepathy, but headline writers do seem to regard factual accuracy as a mere inconvenience to be circumvented rather than a standard to attain.

Indeed.
Telepathy (from the ancient Greek τηλε, tele meaning "distant" and πάθη, pathe or patheia meaning "feeling, perception, passion, affliction, experience") is the transmission of information from one person to another without using any of our known sensory channels or physical interaction.
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Not telepathy, then.
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Re: 2 rats, thousands of miles apart communicate Telepathically

#8  Postby Shrunk » Mar 01, 2013 5:18 pm

It seems we already have a thread on this topic (with a less deceptive title). I'll request a merge.

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DARPA: Control rat's brain over internet

#9  Postby the_5th_ape » Mar 01, 2013 5:18 pm

Government mind control may not be as farfetched as it sounds: after 15 years of research, scientists have found a way to transmit information from one brain to another, thereby controlling the thoughts of its test subject.

Scientists have successfully captured the thoughts of a rat in Brazil and electronically transmitted them through the Internet to the brain of a rat in the US. The Brazilian rat had been energetically running around in a lab. When the American rat received the brain waves of its South American counterpart, it immediately began to mimic the behavior – despite the thousands of miles between them, Reuters reports.

Scientists refer to the technique as a “brain link”. The $26 million study of brain-machine interfaces was funded by the Pentagon’s Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), which ultimately hopes to have this technology available to humans.

By linking human brains together, scientists believe they can combine brainpower to solve problems that are too difficult for one person to handle alone, Duke University Medical Center neurobiologist Miguel Nicolelis told Reuters. Nicolelis refers to this link as an “organic computer”, and said scientists will first test it out on monkeys to determine its feasibility.

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Re: DARPA: Control rat's brain over internet

#10  Postby the_5th_ape » Mar 01, 2013 5:20 pm

oops. Mods please merge this thread
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Re: DARPA: Control rat's brain over internet

#11  Postby Wiðercora » Mar 01, 2013 5:22 pm

O_o

Do you even read the articles before you post them?
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#12  Postby Shrunk » Mar 01, 2013 5:23 pm

the_5th_ape wrote:oops. Mods please merge this thread


Maybe there's someone name "The 6th Ape" somewhere who's wired to your brain and made you do it? :)

But seriously, how do you create a duplicate of your own thread only a few minutes later?
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Re: DARPA: Control rat's brain over internet

#13  Postby the_5th_ape » Mar 01, 2013 5:26 pm

Wiðercora wrote:O_o

Do you even read the articles before you post them?

I had composed this thread an hour back. I forgot to exit the window and ended up posting the wrong article
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Re: 2 rats, thousands of miles apart communicate Telepathically

#14  Postby Onyx8 » Mar 01, 2013 5:28 pm


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Re: DARPA: Control rat's brain over internet

#15  Postby the_5th_ape » Mar 01, 2013 5:47 pm

Shrunk wrote:
Maybe there's someone name "The 6th Ape" somewhere who's wired to your brain and made you do it? :)

yea i think so :think:
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Re: Progress towards the well-connected rat!

#16  Postby DavidMcC » Mar 01, 2013 5:49 pm

Of course it wasn't really telepathy, in spite of various journalists kidding us on. That's why it's always worth referring back to the original work. Hacks can be a nuisance.
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#17  Postby the_5th_ape » Mar 01, 2013 5:52 pm

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All done.

Well done.
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#18  Postby Bribase » Mar 01, 2013 5:52 pm

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Re: Progress towards the well-connected rat!

#19  Postby the_5th_ape » Apr 10, 2013 6:16 pm

Man Wriggles Rat's Tail Using Only His Thoughts
By linking the brains of a human and a rat, scientists have now helped a man wiggle a rodent's tail using only the man's thoughts.

These new findings are the first case of a brain-to-brain interface between species, and the first example of a noninvasive brain-to-brain interface, researchers added.
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Re: Progress towards the well-connected rat!

#20  Postby DavidMcC » Apr 11, 2013 11:17 am

the_5th_ape wrote:Man Wriggles Rat's Tail Using Only His Thoughts
By linking the brains of a human and a rat, scientists have now helped a man wiggle a rodent's tail using only the man's thoughts.

These new findings are the first case of a brain-to-brain interface between species, and the first example of a noninvasive brain-to-brain interface, researchers added.

I've always wanted to be able to do that! :lol:
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