archibald wrote:PensivePenny wrote:....That's a choice.
Feels like a choice.
Damn right it does
I only discuss free will on forums. Day to day, I live in the illusion. I make choices etc etc. Don't think that it freezes me up or keeps me going in loops. It's just a fun topic to discuss. And sometimes it gives insights. Sometimes they're helpful, such as when I was able to forgive my parents for stuff.
Well, that's good to know. If denying free will is a thought experiment, just say so! Some people don't see it as a thought experiment. KiR, if I had to guess.
They fuck you up, your mum and dad, they don't mean to but they do. And all that.
I suppose they can. But,
staying fucked up is a choice.
I've had my share of therapists. When I was around 20, I saw one for a traumatic event I experienced... He introduced me to the concept of reparenting. It's only so much psycho-babble as Cito will be quick to point out, but it did help me. I only saw the therapist a few times, but just being aware of the concept of reparenting, made me realize that I wasn't tethered to the shit my parent's taught me. I began to give myself 'permission' so to speak to be who I wanted to be, not who they wanted me to be. It was really just a simple tweak on realizing I had choices.
I have to say that my folks never did anything to me which was on a par with yours. I would find that very very difficult to forgive. But maybe that's just me.
Nope... it's me too. I would have forgiven them at some point, but there's a point where, like Cito says, you have to Etch-a-Sketch them from your life. They actually damaged me more in disowning me than anything they did to me as a child, including indoctrination into the magic-man mystical tour. I suffered from being disowned, only as long as I held on to them in my mind.
ETA: I should note, I held on to my parents for far too long after being disowned. At any time during that time, a simple apology would have been enough for me to forgive them. Now, I'd simply tell them to fuck off... no matter how sorry they were. I wouldn't give them a nickel if it would save their life. They'd just have to find it themselves.
Evolution saddens me. In an environment where irrational thinking is protected, the disparity in the population rate of creationists vs that of rational thinkers, equates to a creationist win. Let's remove warning labels from products as an equalizer.