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Re: Druids a religion - official

#21  Postby Paul1 » Oct 02, 2010 11:05 am

Maybe I'm wrong, but Humanism isn't recognised as a religion. So why the Druids can apply for religious funding, the Humanist Association cannot, despite it behaving much like religious organisations (minus the shit).

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The BHA regained charitable status to great financial advantage. An essential element of the BHA activities was support of the growing number of local groups. Another very important activity was developing a network of celebrants able to conduct non-religious funerals, weddings, naming ceremonies and same sex affirmations (before the law allowing gay civil partnerships).

I was wrong :) SECOND EDIT: I was wrong about being wrong!

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What we want

Ultimately we want the new law amended to put humanist charities in the same legal position as religious ones.

We have maintained that the Charity Commission should heed the Human Rights Act and treat charities based on non-religious beliefs in the same way as religious ones. It has so far refused to do so but its intentions with the draft guidance about non-religious beliefs are still unclear. The consultation is now closed and we await the outcome.
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We need to monitor how the law on public benefit is applied to religious charities. If you come across any religious charities which seem to you – after reading the Commission’s guidance – to suggest undue lenience on the part of the Commission, please contact us.

Right, well, if Druidry turns out to be atheistic in nature, I shall be contacting them! Sadly the Druid Network is not atheist nor secular in nature.

THIRD EDIT: Sent it to the BHA, could be of use to them.
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Re: Druids a religion - official

#22  Postby DoctorE » Oct 02, 2010 3:07 pm

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Druidry given religious status

#23  Postby Scarlett » Oct 02, 2010 3:08 pm

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#24  Postby Barry Cade » Oct 02, 2010 4:50 pm

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Re: Druids a religion - official

#25  Postby Simon_Gardner » Oct 02, 2010 5:22 pm

Barry Cade wrote:
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I believe it is a youth beat combo called Good Charlotte. Faux punk at best.

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Re: Druidry given religious status

#26  Postby HughMcB » Oct 02, 2010 5:29 pm

Here's the organization; http://druidnetwork.org/

I wonder if I can become a druid? I'm already a minister. :dunno:
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Re: Druids a religion - official

#27  Postby stijndeloose » Oct 02, 2010 5:42 pm


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Britain Recognizes Druidy As A Religion

#28  Postby Rohm » Oct 03, 2010 12:47 pm

...for the first time and gives it charitable status.

The British commission (Charity Commission for England and Wales) noted that Druidry "is animistic and based on a belief that everything has a spiritual dimension." It also said that the religion recognizes deities within nature and conducts worship ceremonies.

It added that members associate their gods with the moon, fertility, rain, love and other forces.

Druids were members of the learned class among ancient Celts, acting as priests, judges and teachers. They performed human and animal sacrifices and worshiped in forests in western Europe, Britain and Ireland.

Full article here:

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/10/0 ... us/?hpt=C1

A comprehensive Wikipedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druid

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Re: Britain Recognizes Druidy As A Religion

#29  Postby CarlPierce » Oct 03, 2010 12:54 pm

Well since anything seems to go religiously these days why not run around naked worshipping the moon.

everything has a spiritual dimension


Err what does that mean exactly ? They never bother to define it.
However if they start killing animals for their daft beliefs I start getting angry.
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#30  Postby NineOneFour » Oct 03, 2010 12:55 pm

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I was momentarily annoyed, and then thought, "well, at least they aren't fundamentalist Christians."
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Re: Druids a religion - official

#31  Postby Ubjon » Oct 03, 2010 1:02 pm

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Re: Druids a religion - official

#32  Postby Ubjon » Oct 03, 2010 1:07 pm

Ihavenofingerprints wrote:They can start reaping in the benefits now. No tax, government money, the right to be offended, infiltrating politics ect...


Actually no, the BBC interviewed one of their senior people and on the issue of tax he said that its not an issue for them as they only have a very small income. He said that main benefit was that it makes their dealings with the council and other bodies easier as they now have official status.

I was somewhat amused that one of the qualifying conditions is that the religion benefits society. Given that the abrahamic religons were simply assumed to qualify as religions and didn't have to demonstrate that they benefited society it would be interesting to see them have to submit themselves for assessment. I imagine some branches of thse religions would be refused if they were taken on face-value and weren't allowed to argue that you aren't supposed to follow everything that it says in their holy books.
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Re: Britain Recognizes Druidy As A Religion

#33  Postby Simon_Gardner » Oct 03, 2010 1:10 pm

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Re: Druids a religion - official

#34  Postby stijndeloose » Oct 03, 2010 1:27 pm


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#35  Postby Raliegh Marsden » Oct 03, 2010 1:29 pm

I think it's great that druidism is now recognised officially as a religion. Think of the tax breaks.
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#36  Postby Simon_Gardner » Oct 04, 2010 6:58 am

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Re: Druids a religion - official

#37  Postby Tyrannical » Oct 04, 2010 7:08 am

So, I guess these new wave Druids aren't heavy into human sacrifice like the real ones were? :ask:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice#Europe
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A wicker man, that, according to Caesar, was used to sacrifice humans to the gods.According to Roman sources, Celtic Druids engaged extensively in human sacrifice.[28] According to Julius Caesar, the slaves and dependents of Gauls of rank would be burnt along with the body of their master as part of his funerary rites.[29] He also describes how they built wicker figures that were filled with living humans and then burned.[30] It is known that druids at least supervised sacrifices of some kind. According to Cassius Dio, Boudica's forces impaled Roman captives during her rebellion against the Roman occupation, to the accompaniment of revelry and sacrifices in the sacred groves of Andate.[31] Different gods reportedly required different kinds of sacrifices. Victims meant for Esus were hanged, those meant for Taranis immolated and those for Teutates drowned. Some, like the Lindow Man, may have gone to their deaths willingly.

Archaeological evidence from the British Isles seems to indicate that human sacrifice may have been practised, over times long pre-dating any contact with Rome. Human remains have been found at the foundations of structures from the Neolithic time to the Roman era, with injuries and in positions that argue for their being foundation sacrifices.[citation needed]

Skeletons belonging to as many as 150 people and dating back to about the time of the Roman conquest were discovered in Alveston, England. Druids may have killed the victims in a single event.[32]

Ritualised decapitation survives in the archaeological record such as the example of 12 headless corpses at the French late Iron Age sanctuary of Gournay-sur-Aronde.[33]
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#38  Postby TimONeill » Oct 05, 2010 7:02 am

Tyrannical wrote:So, I guess these new wave Druids aren't heavy into human sacrifice like the real ones were? :ask:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sacrifice#Europe
Celts

A wicker man, that, according to Caesar, was used to sacrifice humans to the gods.According to Roman sources, Celtic Druids engaged extensively in human sacrifice.[28] According to Julius Caesar, the slaves and dependents of Gauls of rank would be burnt along with the body of their master as part of his funerary rites.[29] He also describes how they built wicker figures that were filled with living humans and then burned.[30] It is known that druids at least supervised sacrifices of some kind. According to Cassius Dio, Boudica's forces impaled Roman captives during her rebellion against the Roman occupation, to the accompaniment of revelry and sacrifices in the sacred groves of Andate.[31] Different gods reportedly required different kinds of sacrifices. Victims meant for Esus were hanged, those meant for Taranis immolated and those for Teutates drowned. Some, like the Lindow Man, may have gone to their deaths willingly.

Archaeological evidence from the British Isles seems to indicate that human sacrifice may have been practised, over times long pre-dating any contact with Rome. Human remains have been found at the foundations of structures from the Neolithic time to the Roman era, with injuries and in positions that argue for their being foundation sacrifices.[citation needed]

Skeletons belonging to as many as 150 people and dating back to about the time of the Roman conquest were discovered in Alveston, England. Druids may have killed the victims in a single event.[32]

Ritualised decapitation survives in the archaeological record such as the example of 12 headless corpses at the French late Iron Age sanctuary of Gournay-sur-Aronde.[33]
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Re: Druids a religion - official

#39  Postby xrayzed » Oct 05, 2010 7:09 am

the pigeon wrote:Since almost nothing is known about the original beliefs and practices of druids, what do these people believe in? And what led them to decide it was worth believing?

It wouldn't be the first religion that's based on a bastardised version of the original beliefs. Eg: Christianity.
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Re: Druids a religion - official

#40  Postby Scarlett » Oct 05, 2010 8:26 am

It's just a bunch of new age travellers having a fancy dress party and chewing their own faces off, and it's being taken seriously? The mind truly boggles sometimes :nono:
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