Electricity on Shabbat in Jewish law

Alan B · **#41** by **Alan B** » Apr 06, 2011 4:40 pm

Is one allowed to shit and flush the toilet on the Shabbat? Or is the toilet continually being flushed?

InDeoRideo · **#42** by **InDeoRideo** » Apr 06, 2011 4:46 pm

Forget that, they don't cut toilet paper on sabbath.

Alan B · **#43** by **Alan B** » Apr 06, 2011 4:51 pm

InDeoRideo wrote:Forget that, they don't cut toilet paper on sabbath.

So what do they do? Stick a cork up it?

Ah, no. The can't do that because that would be doing work...

95Theses · **#44** by **95Theses** » Apr 06, 2011 4:59 pm

Alan B wrote:
InDeoRideo wrote:Forget that, they don't cut toilet paper on sabbath.

So what do they do? Stick a cork up it?

Ah, no. The can't do that because that would be doing work...

Don't give them any ideas

If they genuinely believed that god wanted them to literally lie in bed all day and shit themselves, some of these lunatics would be buying a new mattress every week.

InDeoRideo · **#45** by **InDeoRideo** » Apr 06, 2011 5:01 pm

Alan B wrote:
InDeoRideo wrote:Forget that, they don't cut toilet paper on sabbath.

So what do they do? Stick a cork up it?

Ah, no. The can't do that because that would be doing work...

They cut it before sabbath or buy it cut.

In the Talmud there's even a discourse about the size of the stone with which you can wipe your arse on sabbath.

Alan B · **#46** by **Alan B** » Apr 06, 2011 5:09 pm

InDeoRideo wrote:
Alan B wrote:
InDeoRideo wrote:Forget that, they don't cut toilet paper on sabbath.

So what do they do? Stick a cork up it?

Ah, no. The can't do that because that would be doing work...

They cut it before sabbath or buy it cut.

In the Talmud there's even a discourse about the size of the stone with which you can wipe your arse on sabbath.

Yeah. But what about the flushing bit?

Onyx8 · **#47** by **Onyx8** » Apr 07, 2011 4:19 am

It just boggles my mind that grown men actual discuss this rubbish like it freaking matters. It really is quite depressing.

Alan B · **#48** by **Alan B** » Apr 07, 2011 8:41 am

Onyx8 wrote:It just boggles my mind that grown men actual discuss this rubbish like it freaking matters. It really is quite depressing.

Aw, c'mon, Onyx8. You know it's all a piss-take as far as we are concerned...

Tyrannical · **#49** by **Tyrannical** » Apr 07, 2011 8:48 am

Alan B wrote:
InDeoRideo wrote:
Alan B wrote:
So what do they do? Stick a cork up it?

Ah, no. The can't do that because that would be doing work...

They cut it before sabbath or buy it cut.

In the Talmud there's even a discourse about the size of the stone with which you can wipe your arse on sabbath.

Yeah. But what about the flushing bit?

Automatic toilets have been around for years. They have a little sensor that detects when you approach, and it flushes when you leave.

Kuia · **#50** by **Kuia** » Apr 07, 2011 9:09 am

Tyrannical wrote:]

Automatic toilets have been around for years. They have a little sensor that detects when you approach, and it flushes when you leave.

That wouldn't fit the requirements: the sensor is working hence cannot be used on the sabbath

Tyrannical · **#51** by **Tyrannical** » Apr 07, 2011 9:34 am

Kuia wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:]

Automatic toilets have been around for years. They have a little sensor that detects when you approach, and it flushes when you leave.

That wouldn't fit the requirements: the sensor is working hence cannot be used on the sabbath

Automatic lighting is allowed, and the toilets operate under the same principle.

Alan B · **#52** by **Alan B** » Apr 07, 2011 11:35 am

Tyrannical wrote:
Kuia wrote:
Tyrannical wrote:]

Automatic toilets have been around for years. They have a little sensor that detects when you approach, and it flushes when you leave.

That wouldn't fit the requirements: the sensor is working hence cannot be used on the sabbath

Automatic lighting is allowed, and the toilets operate under the same principle.

Oh, yeah? What's the difference between automatic lighting (allowed) and automatic doors (not allowed)?

Emmeline · **#53** by **Emmeline** » Apr 07, 2011 11:37 am

Some info on use of automatic things on Shabbat:
http://www.communitym.com/article.asp?article_id=101085

It reads like a "Life of Brian" sketch to me!

Alan B · **#54** by **Alan B** » Apr 07, 2011 11:46 am

Just watched that video again. :doh:

"The Bible says you shall not create a fire. When you push the button (on the elevator) you create electricity, therefore you are making a fire..."
No you fucking aren't since the electricity is 'already there'.

By that logic if you create a fire before Shabbat and it continues burning on the Shabbat, you are not allowed to warm yourself from its heat?

Suppose the electricity was produced by solar power (God's Lamp in da Sky)? You can't say you are making a fire because that's taking his purpose out of his hands...
:crazy:

Alan B · **#55** by **Alan B** » Apr 07, 2011 2:19 pm

Jan wrote:Some info on use of automatic things on Shabbat:
http://www.communitym.com/article.asp?article_id=101085

It reads like a "Life of Brian" sketch to me!

Thanks for the link. Life of Brian is about right.

and when there is a "necessity" to open the door or window, halacha allows doing so with a shinui, meaning, a deviation from the normal way of performing the given the activity, such as by using one's elbow and the like.**

My Bold.
Hilarious! :roll:

**Edit: A head-butt, maybe.

Onyx8 · **#56** by **Onyx8** » Apr 08, 2011 6:52 am

Alan B wrote:
Onyx8 wrote:It just boggles my mind that grown men actual discuss this rubbish like it freaking matters. It really is quite depressing.

Aw, c'mon, Onyx8. You know it's all a piss-take as far as we are concerned...

Yes, I do, but those guys with the books tied to their heads don't. And that boggles my mind.

NineBerry · **#57** by **NineBerry** » Apr 12, 2011 5:48 pm

German 'thought car' could be driven on Sabbath, Rabbi says

A German-designed car that can be driven by thought alone could allow Jews to drive on the Sabbath, a young Rabbi and artificial intelligence scientist says.

Rabbi Dror Fixler, an electro-optics expert from Bar-Ilan University in Ramat Gan, Israel, told The Local that the distinction between thought and action could mean that driving on the traditional Jewish day of rest was mutar, or permitted.

[...]

http://www.thelocal.de/sci-tech/20110412-34339.html

Alan B · **#58** by **Alan B** » Apr 12, 2011 7:06 pm

NineBerry wrote:
German 'thought car' could be driven on Sabbath, Rabbi says

A German-designed car that can be driven by thought alone could allow Jews to drive on the Sabbath, a young Rabbi and artificial intelligence scientist says.

Rabbi Dror Fixler, an electro-optics expert from Bar-Ilan University in Ramat Gan, Israel, told The Local that the distinction between thought and action could mean that driving on the traditional Jewish day of rest was mutar, or permitted.

[...]

http://www.thelocal.de/sci-tech/20110412-34339.html

Wouldn't opening the car door be 'doing work' as is opening a window? And how about fixing the seat-belt? Wouldn't that be contravening 'God's purpose' if they had an accident?

:crazy:

Zwaarddijk · **#59** by **Zwaarddijk** » Apr 13, 2011 4:52 pm

Alan B wrote:
NineBerry wrote:
German 'thought car' could be driven on Sabbath, Rabbi says

A German-designed car that can be driven by thought alone could allow Jews to drive on the Sabbath, a young Rabbi and artificial intelligence scientist says.

Rabbi Dror Fixler, an electro-optics expert from Bar-Ilan University in Ramat Gan, Israel, told The Local that the distinction between thought and action could mean that driving on the traditional Jewish day of rest was mutar, or permitted.

[...]

http://www.thelocal.de/sci-tech/20110412-34339.html

Wouldn't opening the car door be 'doing work' as is opening a window? And how about fixing the seat-belt? Wouldn't that be contravening 'God's purpose' if they had an accident?

Look, it certainly is crazy, but just because we can imagine some idea like "it contravening God's purpose" doesn't mean that's what they think - they do have a fair share of categorizations and "God's purpose" is quite frankly left out. afaict, the seatbelt would be akin to fastening your regular belt - which is permitted. (depending, of course, on how your seatbelt works).
There is a relatively ~regular underlying ruleset, ideas like "God wants us to rest so we shouldn't shit" is just speculations people not aware of how their ruling system works come up with.

HughMcB · **#60** by **HughMcB** » Oct 29, 2011 4:54 am

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