So Tower Hamlets was not representative, was it?

I never said it was meant to be. It doesn't matter what the numbers are so long as they are larger than some time in the past.

John

No, I did. And I was right.

Your figures aren't all for east london either, a few of those are near me in west london. The fact that muslims are increasing over london and not just east london doesn't autmoatically mean the place is under"islamafication" anymore than an increase in jews means an area is under "jewification".

Do you bother to actually read other people's posts?

John's post on the previous page

John

z8000783 wrote:

aspire1670 wrote:

z8000783 wrote:
According to wikki the Muslim population in Tower Hamlets is over 35%. Now, assuming there was a time in the past when that number was lower then cannot one infer that Islam has grown in that area?

John

Morpheus is alleging an increase in islamization of various aspects of British life rather than a increase in the Muslim population.

First off I was responding to the post I quoted and also the thread title which mentions the growth of Islam. I am not sure waht is meant by Islamisation.

Except that Morpheus made it clear he was alleging the growth in Islamic fundamentalism not the population of muslims, notwithstanding the title of his OP, and if you had quoted all of Garm's post it would be seen that he was also referring to the growth of islamisation. I think Morpheus's definition of Islamisation most often is rooted in his belief that sharia law is being imposed by stealth on the UK. Just sayin'

z8000783 wrote:Do you bother to actually read other people's posts?

John's post on the previous page

John

John Numbers, I do. My arguments are directed at the OP's allegations about Islamification.

z8000783 wrote:

Garm wrote:I find it hilarious how you infer "The growth of Islam in East London UK" from one isolated incident. In all of your "The growing islamization of X" threads, you have never provided a single shred of evidence to back up your claim that Islam is growing anywhere. In fact, you have repeatedly and explicitly been shown the exact opposite by other posters.

According to wikki the Muslim population in Tower Hamlets is over 35%. Now, assuming there was a time in the past when that number was lower then cannot one infer that Islam has grown in that area?

John

My objection was that morpheus refers to an article in the Daily Mail, about a teacher attacked by Islamic fundamentalists, and then concludes that "Islamic fundamentalism has now become a serious problem in the ghettos of east london" based on that single incident. It's a classic non sequitur.

The islamic fundamentalist homophobia appears to be taking off.
http://johannhari.com//2011/02/25/can-w ... phobia-now

Good article. The worrying thing is you're wrong, it's not Islamic fundamentalism that is homophobic, it's Islam as a whole.

aspire1670 wrote:Morpheus is alleging an increase in islamization of various aspects of British life rather than a increase in the Muslim population.

Such as un-stunned halal meat? Since it's largely unlabelled, I cannot say how much it's increased but there was certainly a time when it wasn't commonplace in supermarkets, cafes and public catering. Indeed, there was - still is, in fact - a law against it for all but Muslims. Now widely ignored.

And now islam is trying to ban evolution in east london.
http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com ... ama-hasan/

morpheus wrote:And now islam is trying to ban evolution in east london.
http://theislamicstandard.wordpress.com ... ama-hasan/

There's an interesting update on the original thread about this, it appears to be more about who controls the mosque, rather than what is actually said at the mosque.

HomerJay wrote:There's an interesting update on the original thread about this, it appears to be more about who controls the mosque, rather than what is actually said at the mosque.

t does seem to be about internecine strife - but it's interesting that they find accepting evolution a suitable matter to squabble about.

Things are taking a turn for the worse for homosexual councillors in east london as they are subjected to animal noises and spot the faggot competitions by the islamic supporters. Wonder where it will go to - surrender and run or continue complaining in the name of democracy.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/andre ... red-grows/
Islam in east london doesnt seem to be into "free thinking and free people".

The difficulty I find with all of this is finding the path between my tolerance of other people's cultures and religious practices and my complete INtolerance of any moves to reduce the quality of education or oppress homosexuals and women.

Islam in Tower Hamlets. As I've already pointed out it is 30% bangledeshi and not representative of East London. Not that I wish to deny the problem, far from it, it just pays to be accurate. The rise in homophobia is not because of a rise in Islam, by this I mean Islam as an ideology spreading, but simply due to a massive amount of muslims in the area.

Paul G wrote:The rise in homophobia is not because of a rise in Islam, by this I mean Islam as an ideology spreading, but simply due to a massive amount of muslims in the area.

Is that more homophobic Muslims moving into the area, or existing Muslim residents becoming more homophobic? Or just an increase in the Muslim population, with a proportional increase of homophobic Muslims?

Oeditor wrote:

Paul G wrote:The rise in homophobia is not because of a rise in Islam, by this I mean Islam as an ideology spreading, but simply due to a massive amount of muslims in the area.

Is that more homophobic Muslims moving into the area, or existing Muslim residents becoming more homophobic? Or just an increase in the Muslim population, with a proportional increase of homophobic Muslims?

Erm......

Oeditor wrote:

Paul G wrote:The rise in homophobia is not because of a rise in Islam, by this I mean Islam as an ideology spreading, but simply due to a massive amount of muslims in the area.

Is that more homophobic Muslims moving into the area, or existing Muslim residents becoming more homophobic? Or just an increase in the Muslim population, with a proportional increase of homophobic Muslims?

All of the above?

Another example of london islam:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... efits.html
What is going to happen in the next few decades in this area?