cherries wrote:

Has anyone else noticed (and I did the very first time I looked at this photo) that, apart from the very well shaped lips, that face has a very masculine look about it?

Paula1 wrote:

MrFungus420 wrote:I thought that sex-slaves in Islam were called "wives"...

Yes, you'd wonder why they bother when they can have a few wives who are conditioned from birth to please their men

There's probably a sense of power associated with the idea of owning sex slaves (or slaves of any kind).
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murshid wrote:

Paula1 wrote:

MrFungus420 wrote:I thought that sex-slaves in Islam were called "wives"...

Yes, you'd wonder why they bother when they can have a few wives who are conditioned from birth to please their men

There's probably a sense of power associated with the idea of owning sex slaves (or slaves of any kind).
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Yes, I'd agree with that.


Do you know what's quite shocking? The fact that I read threads like this and don't feel shock anymore? Sadness, outrage and lots of other feelings, but there is no shock or surprise anymore at the appalling treatment and attitude there is towards women under islam. Nothing appears to be out of bounds

Paula1 wrote:Do you know what's quite shocking? The fact that I read threads like this and don't feel shock anymore? Sadness, outrage and lots of other feelings, but there is no shock or surprise anymore at the appalling treatment and attitude there is towards women under islam. Nothing appears to be out of bounds

That is very true indeed.
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Imza wrote:

A Kuwaiti woman who once ran for parliament has called for sex slavery to be legalised - and suggested that non-Muslim prisoners from war-torn countries would make suitable concubines.
Salwa al Mutairi argued buying a sex-slave would protect decent, devout and 'virile' Kuwaiti men from adultery because buying an imported sex partner would be tantamount to marriage.
And she even had an idea of where to 'purchase' these sex-salves - browsing through female prisoners of war in other countries

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... uwait.html

Sad and disgusting, especially coming from a women.

What? She's just being a good musilmah.

article wrote:For Muna Khan, an editor at the Saudi-owned Al Arabiya television station, the 'icing on the cake' of Mutairi’s 'preposterous views' was her assertion that her suggestions do not conflict with the tenets of Islam.

They don't. Read your unholy books Muna.

Q 4:24 And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. Lawful unto you are all beyond those mentioned, so that ye seek them with your wealth in honest wedlock, not debauchery. And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done). Lo! Allah is ever Knower, Wise.

Sunnan Abu Dawud, Volume 2, Number 2150:
Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period." [The Quran verse is 4:24].

Muslim, Book 008, Number 3371:
Abu Sirma said to Abu Sa'id al Khadri (Allah he pleased with him): 0 Abu Sa'id, did you hear Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) mentioning al-'azl? He said: Yes, and added: We went out with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them, for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing 'azl (Withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid-conception). But we said: We are doing an act whereas Allah's Messenger is amongst us; why not ask him? So we asked Allah's Mes- senger (may peace be upon him), and he said: It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamental ... l#008.3371

Additionally, here's a lovely Fatwa on the subject:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewt ... p?p=544281

Doubtdispelled wrote:Has anyone else noticed (and I did the very first time I looked at this photo) that, apart from the very well shaped lips, that face has a very masculine look about it?

Yes, I pointed it out near the top of the thread - but rather less politely! (lips too well shaped, I thought, btw)

ixolite wrote:Additionally, here's a lovely Fatwa on the subject:
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewt ... p?p=544281

wow ixolite,that's some fatwa

this after explaining at length the similarities between wives and slaves...

Although the owner himself cannot get married to his slave woman, without giving her freedom, he can get her married to someone else. If he gets her married to someone else, then only her husband can now have intercourse with her and the owner's right of having intercourse with her comes to an end. All these facts prove that the slave girl does not become an instrument of sex; on the contrary, her honour is upheld, in that only one man is allowed to have intercourse with her JUST AS only one man (the husband) is allowed to have intercourse with his lawfully wedded wife.

Islam ensured that the slave girl's duties were not restricted merely to domestic chores but also gave her master permission to copulate with her. This concession created an atmosphere of love and harmony between the slave girl and her master. Islam thereby raised the status of the war captive-maidens close to that of wives. It was a psychological cure to her grief-stricken heart, being deprived of her family and thrown into the hands of a strange society.

fucking hell,at least he's being honest about it,the best i've ever read

Unofficial slavery in the Gulf is quite common. They use their oil money to import women from Asia - Pakistan, Malaysia, the Philippines. The wives get to force these women to do all the housework at all hours of the day and the husbands use them for sex. The wives probably see this as a win-win because it means less time spent having to look at their husband's excess body hair.

estrellas wrote:Unofficial slavery in the Gulf is quite common. They use their oil money to import women from Asia - Pakistan, Malaysia, the Philippines. The wives get to force these women to do all the housework at all hours of the day and the husbands use them for sex. The wives probably see this as a win-win because it means less time spent having to look at their husband's excess body hair.

this is an interesting link,http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/UnitedArabEmirates.htm
i don't know about malaysia though,if there are any cases they wouldn't be very common,malaysians don't seek work abroad as much as indonesians for example,who are quite poor and are forced to look for work outside their own country.

cherries wrote:

Islam ensured that the slave girl's duties were not restricted merely to domestic chores but also gave her master permission to copulate with her. This concession created an atmosphere of love and harmony between the slave girl and her master. Islam thereby raised the status of the war captive-maidens close to that of wives. It was a psychological cure to her grief-stricken heart, being deprived of her family and thrown into the hands of a strange society.

"atmosphere of love and harmony between the slave girl and her master"??? WTF??? This is how they are convincing themselves that they are upholding the honour of women and that Islam honours and respects women.
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At least she is being denounced by her countrymen.

estrellas wrote:Unofficial slavery in the Gulf is quite common.

Yeh, it's called marriage.

Domestic chores? Is that all (apart from sex, of course) that they had to do? What kind, gentle people those mediaeval slave-masters must have been!

Oeditor wrote:Domestic chores? Is that all (apart from sex, of course) that they had to do? What kind, gentle people those mediaeval slave-masters must have been!

the little bit where getting a divorce for a women is about as hard as buying oneself off from your slavemaster or the children are the property of the husband/slave master.

but it's not the same,true that

hi every 1. my first post. regarding the comment of the woman, i can tell u as an ex muslim and currently still living in an ISLAMIC state,that this woman is a fucking genious. she only said this to win support of her extremley chuvanist male counterparts.muslims would do anything for sex even blow them selves up for it. so her making this statment is nothing more than to please her sex starved male population and win their support. she just guarennted herself a long and fruitful political career

im3rdworld wrote:hi every 1. my first post. regarding the comment of the woman, i can tell u as an ex muslim and currently still living in an ISLAMIC state,that this woman is a fucking genious. she only said this to win support of her extremley chuvanist male counterparts.muslims would do anything for sex even blow them selves up for it. so her making this statment is nothing more than to please her sex starved male population and win their support. she just guarennted herself a long and fruitful political career

hi yasir,welcome to the forum

good point that but sex starved male population

natselrox wrote:Sometimes I think we should equip each human on the planet with weapons of mass destruction. Hell, we should plant nukes all over the world and let everyone have a detonating switch. Will be one funny way to ensure equality.

I strongly protest an upcoming neuro-whatever for taking such a stand. I never hurt anyone intentionally, I think it wrong on your part to keep giving nukes to every individuals in your if-possible thoughts, I dont wanna die because some one had a bad day.

I think this is just psychological terror to frighten women and anger men.

Maybe if people had to hunt and gather their food all day long, they wouldn't have time to think about stupid stuff.

murshid wrote:

cherries wrote:

murshid wrote:mmmm..... sex slaves and concubines! I think I like Islam once again.

don't you want to go and hide under a chair,or something

As you wish.
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you know, many men in India do turn to islam from time to time because bigamy is not allowed in anyother religion in India.

Some of the apologetics erected within this psychotic religion to justify what is - and let's not be under any illusions here - summary rape, are truly sickening. The idea that a woman forcibly taken captive experiences any "love and harmony" as a result of being thus taken into captivity, and forced to submit to being violated by piss-smelling old bastards, is an utter obscenity.

It's nothing more than a disgusting attempt to confer an entirely specious "legitimacy", upon the desire of powerful men to stick their wicks where they please without any strings attached. It's a blatant attempt to sanctify rutting, a means of giving whoever happens to be the big cheese of the moment licence to use women as little more than seminal spittoons, without any obligations with respect to provision for her needs, or to cultivate a proper, loving relationship. Once again, the diseased vision of women as nothing more than pieces of sex-meat to be bought, sold and chewed at leisure, endemic within this verminous piece of mythological excrement, is utterly revolting to anyone who truly values women as human beings.