Fallible wrote:Galaxian, are there any major events which you do not think are the result of a conspiracy? This is an honest question. Did anything happen the way we were told it did? If so, what?

Yes, there are MANY things that I trust, but due generally to scientific & rational deduction. I accept the Moon landings, I deny the Mayan 2012 'prophecies' & other religious hocus pocus, I deny crystal power, I deny homeopathy, I accept climate change & the extinction of species.
In reality I am more of a dry realist than MOST (by far) members on such forums as Rational Skepticism. I find that you lot are way too gullible, especially in relation to official pronouncements. You have too blase an idea of how ruthless & malevolent psychopaths are. Of how many psychopaths there are in high office...of necessity, because it is usually such personalities who are single minded about gaining power &/or wealth.
I find it perplexing that the rank & file of members here (& elsewhere) don't bother to either read carefully or watch the documentaries that I post; proven by answered questions being re-asked again & again, even immediately after I have posted the answer within the post, or to relevant links or videos.
Infact it is strange that members are not really interested in the subjects that do & will affect them & their families most. They prefer to trust their masters, even though their masters, & their servants, have a vested interest & are paid for their time & effort, while me & other questioners of officialdom do it under harassment, risk, at great trouble, without pay, in our own time, & without any vested interest.
Watch the following documentary by a former member of MI5, who now reveals (yet again) official amorality

Thanks for the reply.

Here is a series of 4 informative videos from David Shayler, a former MI5 agent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_SkQX3KT8I
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_SkQX3KT8I[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WtnMbcqL08
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WtnMbcqL08[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLOjPoZeZnw
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLOjPoZeZnw[/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RvatTZZdMM
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RvatTZZdMM[/youtube]

It seems most of you regard 'terrorist' events as discreet events. Whereas they are infact often connected.

*Sigh*

Galaxian wrote:

Fallible wrote:Galaxian, are there any major events which you do not think are the result of a conspiracy? This is an honest question. Did anything happen the way we were told it did? If so, what?

Yes, there are MANY things that I trust, but due generally to scientific & rational deduction. I accept the Moon landings, I deny the Mayan 2012 'prophecies' & other religious hocus pocus, I deny crystal power, I deny homeopathy, I accept climate change & the extinction of species.
In reality I am more of a dry realist than MOST (by far) members on such forums as Rational Skepticism. I find that you lot are way too gullible, especially in relation to official pronouncements. You have too blase an idea of how ruthless & malevolent psychopaths are. Of how many psychopaths there are in high office...of necessity, because it is usually such personalities who are single minded about gaining power &/or wealth.
I find it perplexing that the rank & file of members here (& elsewhere) don't bother to either read carefully or watch the documentaries that I post; proven by answered questions being re-asked again & again, even immediately after I have posted the answer within the post, or to relevant links or videos.
Infact it is strange that members are not really interested in the subjects that do & will affect them & their families most. They prefer to trust their masters, even though their masters, & their servants, have a vested interest & are paid for their time & effort, while me & other questioners of officialdom do it under harassment, risk, at great trouble, without pay, in our own time, & without any vested interest.
Watch the following documentary by a former member of MI5, who now reveals (yet again) official amorality

My family would like to thank you for your time and trouble in protecting them here in the UK and the risks you run on our behalf posting videos on the interwebz at such great trouble to yourself. You deserve some sort of an award.


P.S. As you obviously have your finger on the pulse, is there any chance you might be able to expose the next conspiracy before it comes to fruition?

Galaxian wrote:Everything's a big joke. So long as it's not your arms blown off, your children blinded, you mother raped, your mind rent asunder, your home bulldozed, your nation's infrastructure annihilated....

Nope.....sorry, your self righteousness gambit fails, given your tendency to mock others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAvVv6DPyQ
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAvVv6DPyQ[/youtube]

Pure tin-foil. It's a crap CCTV image. The funniest bit was the cut and paste leg. WHY??

Yes, no reason to suspect anything. While led to the abbatoir & transmogrified into Borg; keep giggling

I'd hate to live in your world...

Galaxian wrote:[quote="[url=http://www.rational-skepticism.org/viewtopic.php?p=180537#p180537]
So we have no duty to alert the next person? "Eat, drink & be merry, for tomorrow we die" That's why you shoot the messenger? That's why you gleefully protect the likes of Bush & bLIAR & attack volunteers who try to bring the likes of such psychopaths to justice & go to the trouble & risk to reveal the lies for what they are?

No, what you do is make it more difficult for those of us who look at their deeds sanely to do so without being lumped in with the tin-foil brigade.

Was the war in Iraq illegal? Yes.

Did Bush destroy the WTC in order to start it? NO.

Ah yes, David Shayler...he also claims he's the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. A very reliable source.

http://www.viceland.com/wp/2009/08/davi ... his-squat/

BlackBart wrote:Ah yes, David Shayler...he also claims he's the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. A very reliable source.

http://www.viceland.com/wp/2009/08/davi ... his-squat/

That's par for the course with this lot isn't it?

cursuswalker wrote:

Galaxian wrote:Everything's a big joke. So long as it's not your arms blown off, your children blinded, you mother raped, your mind rent asunder, your home bulldozed, your nation's infrastructure annihilated....

Nope.....sorry, your self righteousness gambit fails, given your tendency to mock others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAvVv6DPyQ
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpAvVv6DPyQ[/youtube]

Pure tin-foil. It's a crap CCTV image. The funniest bit was the cut and paste leg. WHY??

Yes, no reason to suspect anything. While led to the abbatoir & transmogrified into Borg; keep giggling

I'd hate to live in your world...

Sums it up nicely Cursuswalker.

This video and indeed this whole thread are absolutely fucking crap. Pointless hubris, arrogance and mudflinging from Galaxian to support a position that seems to originate from someone who clearly is in need of professional psychiatric help.

cursuswalker wrote:

Galaxian wrote:[quote="[url=http://www.rational-skepticism.org/viewtopic.php?p=180537#p180537]
So we have no duty to alert the next person? "Eat, drink & be merry, for tomorrow we die" That's why you shoot the messenger? That's why you gleefully protect the likes of Bush & bLIAR & attack volunteers who try to bring the likes of such psychopaths to justice & go to the trouble & risk to reveal the lies for what they are?

No, what you do is make it more difficult for those of us who look at their deeds sanely to do so without being lumped in with the tin-foil brigade.Was the war in Iraq illegal? Yes.

Did Bush destroy the WTC in order to start it? NO.

Absolutely. It can also have other equally serious side-effects. For example, polling has suggested that a significant proportion of the British muslim community now regard 7/7 as an "inside" job, mainly as a result of exactly this type of wibble spouting by ignorants. It should be obvious to everyone not only how unfair this is on that community (to be made to feel as if they have been effectively framed) but also the danger that such a feeling of ostracization could bring in the current global environment.

CT's types need to realise that their baseless outpourings can have real world consequences and learn to have some fucking responsibility.

Razor wrote:

cursuswalker wrote:

Galaxian wrote:[quote="[url=http://www.rational-skepticism.org/viewtopic.php?p=180537#p180537]So we have no duty to alert the next person? "Eat, drink & be merry, for tomorrow we die" That's why you shoot the messenger? That's why you gleefully protect the likes of Bush & bLIAR & attack volunteers who try to bring the likes of such psychopaths to justice & go to the trouble & risk to reveal the lies for what they are?

No, what you do is make it more difficult for those of us who look at their deeds sanely to do so without being lumped in with the tin-foil brigade.Was the war in Iraq illegal? Yes.
Did Bush destroy the WTC in order to start it? NO.

Absolutely. It can also have other equally serious side-effects. For example, polling has suggested that a significant proportion of the British muslim community now regard 7/7 as an "inside" job, mainly as a result of exactly this type of wibble spouting by ignorants. It should be obvious to everyone not only how unfair this is on that community (to be made to feel as if they have been effectively framed) but also the danger that such a feeling of ostracization could bring in the current global environment.
CT's types need to realise that their baseless outpourings can have real world consequences and learn to have some fucking responsibility.

That post is so ridiculous that a response is almost cruel. But here goes:
a) "No, what you do is make it more difficult for those of us who look at their deeds sanely"...So your denial of evident facts (such as the doctoring of surveillance videos) is "sane" ?
b) "Did Bush destroy the WTC...?" I have no idea if Bush was involved or to what extent.
c) "a significant proportion of the British muslim community now regard 7/7 as an "inside" job...how unfair this is on that community...". So they are too dumb to think for themselves. Pretty patronizing attitude, eh? Great white chief must feed the untermenschen only good, wholesome propaganda!
d) "...the danger that such a feeling of ostracization could bring in the current global environment." We get to the nub of it: Lies are good if truth is considered (by Razor et al) to be dangerous.
d) "...learn to have some fucking responsibility." That's right Razor, YOU learn to have some fucking responsibility and investigate the bamboozle tactics used by demagogues everywhere to maintain power.

When I saw the title "London bombings - brilliant doc" I thought for myself, great! Food for thought. Love these things.

Then I saw who was the author of the thread...

.. Oh and please, CTs will always exist. Might as well be nice to them. Muslim fanatics will believe anything that goes accordingly to their own worldview anyway, so if the CTs version of history didn't exist, they would make their own version. I don't think CTs have this kind of "responsability" you speak of. In fact, I think they are unimputable almost by definition.

Luis Dias wrote:.. Oh and please, CTs will always exist. Might as well be nice to them. Muslim fanatics will believe anything that goes accordingly to their own worldview anyway, so if the CTs version of history didn't exist, they would make their own version. I don't think CTs have this kind of "responsability" you speak of. In fact, I think they are unimputable almost by definition.

That may well be true, but we're not simply talking Muslim fanatics here, but moderate types as well. Sure, they may have their own motivation for believing such things and may well have believed it whomever it came from. The point is we all, as individuals, have a responsbility not to spread potentially damaging rumour and spite unless we have some damn good evidence to do so. Since we all know this is not the case, it amounts either to directly contributing to shit-stiring or at the least, aiding it for the sake of personal enjoyment, agenda or perhaps merely credulity. Either way, it has real world consequences.

Galaxian wrote:

Razor wrote:

cursuswalker wrote:

Galaxian wrote:[quote="[url=http://www.rational-skepticism.org/viewtopic.php?p=180537#p180537]So we have no duty to alert the next person? "Eat, drink & be merry, for tomorrow we die" That's why you shoot the messenger? That's why you gleefully protect the likes of Bush & bLIAR & attack volunteers who try to bring the likes of such psychopaths to justice & go to the trouble & risk to reveal the lies for what they are?

No, what you do is make it more difficult for those of us who look at their deeds sanely to do so without being lumped in with the tin-foil brigade.Was the war in Iraq illegal? Yes.
Did Bush destroy the WTC in order to start it? NO.

Absolutely. It can also have other equally serious side-effects. For example, polling has suggested that a significant proportion of the British muslim community now regard 7/7 as an "inside" job, mainly as a result of exactly this type of wibble spouting by ignorants. It should be obvious to everyone not only how unfair this is on that community (to be made to feel as if they have been effectively framed) but also the danger that such a feeling of ostracization could bring in the current global environment.
CT's types need to realise that their baseless outpourings can have real world consequences and learn to have some fucking responsibility.

That post is so ridiculous that a response is almost cruel. But here goes:
a) "No, what you do is make it more difficult for those of us who look at their deeds sanely"...So your denial of evident facts (such as the doctoring of surveillance videos) is "sane" ?
b) "Did Bush destroy the WTC...?" I have no idea if Bush was involved or to what extent.
c) "a significant proportion of the British muslim community now regard 7/7 as an "inside" job...how unfair this is on that community...". So they are too dumb to think for themselves. Pretty patronizing attitude, eh? Great white chief must feed the untermenschen only good, wholesome propaganda!
d) "...the danger that such a feeling of ostracization could bring in the current global environment." We get to the nub of it: Lies are good if truth is considered (by Razor et al) to be dangerous.
d) "...learn to have some fucking responsibility." That's right Razor, YOU learn to have some fucking responsibility and investigate the bamboozle tactics used by demagogues everywhere to maintain power.

No, the "nub of it" is that spreading your Truth (which is of course actually merely spurious assertion, roumour and speculation) as fact has damaging real-world consequences. Just as it does in relgion for example. Perhaps if CT-ers considered their accountibility and civil responsibility, they may be more reluctant to speak before they think..

Razor wrote:

Luis Dias wrote:.. Oh and please, CTs will always exist. Might as well be nice to them. Muslim fanatics will believe anything that goes accordingly to their own worldview anyway, so if the CTs version of history didn't exist, they would make their own version. I don't think CTs have this kind of "responsability" you speak of. In fact, I think they are unimputable almost by definition.

That may well be true, but we're not simply talking Muslim fanatics here, but moderate types as well. Sure, they may have their own motivation for believing such things and may well have believed it whomever it came from. The point is we all, as individuals, have a responsbility not to spread potentially damaging rumour and spite unless we have some damn good evidence to do so. Since we all know this is not the case, it amounts either to directly contributing to shit-stiring or at the least, aiding it for the sake of personal enjoyment, agenda or perhaps merely credulity. Either way, it has real world consequences.

Sure, but what you are advocating is self-censorship. If one person believes that the information he has is vital to the world, calls to shut up because of "responsibility" are just silly. As I said, I take CTs as unimputable for their actions, so as long as they are within the realm of legality.

Luis Dias wrote:

Razor wrote:

Luis Dias wrote:.. Oh and please, CTs will always exist. Might as well be nice to them. Muslim fanatics will believe anything that goes accordingly to their own worldview anyway, so if the CTs version of history didn't exist, they would make their own version. I don't think CTs have this kind of "responsability" you speak of. In fact, I think they are unimputable almost by definition.

That may well be true, but we're not simply talking Muslim fanatics here, but moderate types as well. Sure, they may have their own motivation for believing such things and may well have believed it whomever it came from. The point is we all, as individuals, have a responsbility not to spread potentially damaging rumour and spite unless we have some damn good evidence to do so. Since we all know this is not the case, it amounts either to directly contributing to shit-stiring or at the least, aiding it for the sake of personal enjoyment, agenda or perhaps merely credulity. Either way, it has real world consequences.

Sure, but what you are advocating is self-censorship. If one person believes that the information he has is vital to the world, calls to shut up because of "responsibility" are just silly. As I said, I take CTs as unimputable for their actions, so as long as they are within the realm of legality.

Ok, I see your point.
But in a way, I think we're talking too many CT'ers down here, in that I don't for second believe all of them do not see the flaws in their cases; more that they perhaps don't want to becuase to do so would spoil their fun/world outlook etc etc. That I think can still be classified as a lack of personal responsilbity and accoutability. Ithink we can all acknowledge that, for a lot of people, ones of the hardest things in life to do is to admit something that goes against your personal grain, or to resist asserting something that adds to it. Those who consistently fail to do so should not be held free of responsilbity for their stances I feel.

Galaxian wrote:That's why you shoot the messenger?

It's all just a figure of speech until it's your messenger they're shooting. I paid good money for that messenger and now look at him. His leg's all wonkey.

Razor wrote:Those who consistently fail to do so should not be held free of responsilbity for their stances I feel.

What does this mean in practical terms?