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Re: JFK Assassination

#521  Postby John Platko » Oct 23, 2017 2:37 pm

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The_Metatron wrote:You know, it doesn’t matter one bit what’s in those papers. Not one little bit. Whose mind is ever going to change?


Whatever is in those documents kept secret for 54 years isn't likely to change anyone's mind.

It is only of interest to historians.

I’m not sure that’s all of it, either.

Many varying reasons exist to classify shit. Most of them aren’t related to the actual content. With that in mind, what we’re highly likely to find is this stuff repeats what we already know.

It’s not impossible there’s some new, wild thing awaiting us next week. I’m not staying up late waiting for it.


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With Trump making the decision we might get something we otherwise wouldn't. For me that means information connecting Oswald to people who were connected to the CIA. The George Joannides files would be juicy. Or maybe even something about that Paines. None of which would have much interest to most people, but for those of us who dug a bit deeper into the mess it would be very interesting.
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Re: JFK Assassination

#522  Postby The_Metatron » Oct 23, 2017 4:22 pm

How will any of that matter? If what is released doesn’t agree with your conspiracy theory, you’ll just attribute it to more deception by the man.

Why does my conspiracy theorist even give a fuck what’s in this round? How does one assess information integrity?


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Re: JFK Assassination

#523  Postby proudfootz » Oct 23, 2017 5:13 pm

Historians who are interested in this subject will have more materials to work with. Even though it's clear some files were purged while supposedly under lock and key for a couple of generations (someone could be born, get a college education, marry, raise a family, and get to know their grandchildren while these secrets were kept from the public), some of the materials do give us new information or confirm what was suspected.

Obviously it will make no difference to people who've already made up their mind based on incomplete information from 1963.
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Re: JFK Assassination

#524  Postby John Platko » Oct 23, 2017 5:21 pm

The_Metatron wrote:How will any of that matter? If what is released doesn’t agree with your conspiracy theory, you’ll just attribute it to more deception by the man.


They could release some information that could influence my theory (I don't really have a conspiracy theory for the assassination.) I do have a cover-up conspiracy theory but that is beyond reasonable doubt.


Why does my conspiracy theorist even give a fuck what’s in this round? How does one assess information integrity?


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The usual way, data correlation.
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Re: JFK Assassination

#525  Postby proudfootz » Oct 23, 2017 5:25 pm

Assessing 'information integrity' is as much a problem for 'lone nutter' theories as it is for any other theory.

That's why people still have interest in the case - unsolved mysteries attract curious people to try and solve them.
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Re: JFK Assassination

#526  Postby John Platko » Oct 23, 2017 5:27 pm

proudfootz wrote:Historians who are interested in this subject will have more materials to work with. Even though it's clear some files were purged while supposedly under lock and key for a couple of generations (someone could be born, get a college education, marry, raise a family, and get to know their grandchildren while these secrets were kept from the public), some of the materials do give us new information or confirm what was suspected.

Obviously it will make no difference to people who've already made up their mind based on incomplete information from 1963.


And it will make no difference to people who have no interest in such things. But to be fair, the amount of time and effort it takes to even causally go through the mountains of documents about the case is more than most people would reasonably want to put into the case.

But for those who are interested in history, mystery, spy stories, and human nature it's quite a story.
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Re: JFK Assassination

#527  Postby The_Metatron » Oct 23, 2017 9:10 pm

Well, you guys have fun with the copies of copied copies.


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Re: JFK Assassination

#528  Postby proudfootz » Oct 23, 2017 10:13 pm

The_Metatron wrote:Well, you guys have fun with the copies of copied copies.


Sadly, that is what historians have to work with - materials that are sometimes less than ideal.
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Re: JFK Assassination

#529  Postby proudfootz » Oct 23, 2017 10:15 pm

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proudfootz wrote:Historians who are interested in this subject will have more materials to work with. Even though it's clear some files were purged while supposedly under lock and key for a couple of generations (someone could be born, get a college education, marry, raise a family, and get to know their grandchildren while these secrets were kept from the public), some of the materials do give us new information or confirm what was suspected.

Obviously it will make no difference to people who've already made up their mind based on incomplete information from 1963.


And it will make no difference to people who have no interest in such things. But to be fair, the amount of time and effort it takes to even causally go through the mountains of documents about the case is more than most people would reasonably want to put into the case.

But for those who are interested in history, mystery, spy stories, and human nature it's quite a story.


I always look forward to all the energy people put into repeated declarations about how uninterested they are in certain topics.
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Re: JFK Assassination

#530  Postby John Platko » Oct 24, 2017 4:57 pm

For those unfamiliar with the hall of mirrors that intrigues some of us about the JFK assassination, this gives the idea of what sorts of things are involved.
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Re: JFK Assassination

#531  Postby aban57 » Oct 24, 2017 7:03 pm

John Platko wrote:For those unfamiliar with the hall of mirrors that intrigues some of us about the JFK assassination, this gives the idea of what sorts of things are involved.


Good read, thanks.
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#532  Postby John Platko » Oct 24, 2017 9:19 pm

aban57 wrote:
John Platko wrote:For those unfamiliar with the hall of mirrors that intrigues some of us about the JFK assassination, this gives the idea of what sorts of things are involved.


Good read, thanks.


Well, if you want to jump down the rabbit hole this is a good place to start. It's a report on the investigation into what Oswald was doing in Mexico city a couple of months before the assassination, by the US House Select Committee on Assassinations.
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#533  Postby proudfootz » Oct 25, 2017 10:36 am

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aban57 wrote:
John Platko wrote:For those unfamiliar with the hall of mirrors that intrigues some of us about the JFK assassination, this gives the idea of what sorts of things are involved.


Good read, thanks.


Well, if you want to jump down the rabbit hole this is a good place to start. It's a report on the investigation into what Oswald was doing in Mexico city a couple of months before the assassination, by the US House Select Committee on Assassinations.


Apparently this fellow was down in Mexico impersonating Oswald before the assassination.

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Re: JFK Assassination

#534  Postby John Platko » Oct 25, 2017 5:54 pm

proudfootz wrote:
John Platko wrote:
aban57 wrote:
John Platko wrote:For those unfamiliar with the hall of mirrors that intrigues some of us about the JFK assassination, this gives the idea of what sorts of things are involved.


Good read, thanks.


Well, if you want to jump down the rabbit hole this is a good place to start. It's a report on the investigation into what Oswald was doing in Mexico city a couple of months before the assassination, by the US House Select Committee on Assassinations.


Apparently this fellow was down in Mexico impersonating Oswald before the assassination.

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If Trump was in office when that picture came out his stooges would say: Yes, that's Oswald, that camera just made him look a bit fatter.
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#535  Postby John Platko » Oct 25, 2017 7:57 pm

And for those who want to burrow further down the rabbit hole there's this.
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#536  Postby The_Piper » Oct 25, 2017 9:31 pm

proudfootz wrote:
John Platko wrote:
aban57 wrote:
John Platko wrote:For those unfamiliar with the hall of mirrors that intrigues some of us about the JFK assassination, this gives the idea of what sorts of things are involved.


Good read, thanks.


Well, if you want to jump down the rabbit hole this is a good place to start. It's a report on the investigation into what Oswald was doing in Mexico city a couple of months before the assassination, by the US House Select Committee on Assassinations.


Apparently this fellow was down in Mexico impersonating Oswald before the assassination.

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Re: JFK Assassination

#537  Postby proudfootz » Oct 26, 2017 12:37 am

The_Piper wrote:
proudfootz wrote:
John Platko wrote:
aban57 wrote:

Good read, thanks.


Well, if you want to jump down the rabbit hole this is a good place to start. It's a report on the investigation into what Oswald was doing in Mexico city a couple of months before the assassination, by the US House Select Committee on Assassinations.


Apparently this fellow was down in Mexico impersonating Oswald before the assassination.

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Isn't that Al Bundy?


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Re: JFK Assassination

#538  Postby proudfootz » Oct 26, 2017 12:38 am

John Platko wrote:
proudfootz wrote:
John Platko wrote:
aban57 wrote:

Good read, thanks.


Well, if you want to jump down the rabbit hole this is a good place to start. It's a report on the investigation into what Oswald was doing in Mexico city a couple of months before the assassination, by the US House Select Committee on Assassinations.


Apparently this fellow was down in Mexico impersonating Oswald before the assassination.

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If Trump was in office when that picture came out his stooges would say: Yes, that's Oswald, that camera just made him look a bit fatter.


:lol:

They say the camera adds about 75 pounds.
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Re: JFK Assassination

#539  Postby Scot Dutchy » Oct 26, 2017 1:23 pm

JFK Assassination Records - 2017 Additional Documents Release

The National Archives and Records Administration is releasing documents previously withheld in accordance with the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act. The vast majority of the Collection (88%) has been open in full and released to the public since the late 1990s. The records at issue are documents previously identified as assassination records, but withheld in full or withheld in part. Learn more

This July release consists of 3,810 documents, including 441 formerly withheld-in-full documents and 3,369 documents formerly released with portions redacted. The documents originate from FBI and CIA series identified by the Assassination Records Review Board as assassination records. More releases will follow.

To view the entire file, you may visit the National Archives at College Park and request access to the original records.


I had a peek at a couple. I just wonder who is going to read them? I dont envy them.
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#540  Postby John Platko » Oct 26, 2017 5:01 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:JFK Assassination Records - 2017 Additional Documents Release

The National Archives and Records Administration is releasing documents previously withheld in accordance with the JFK Assassination Records Collection Act. The vast majority of the Collection (88%) has been open in full and released to the public since the late 1990s. The records at issue are documents previously identified as assassination records, but withheld in full or withheld in part. Learn more

This July release consists of 3,810 documents, including 441 formerly withheld-in-full documents and 3,369 documents formerly released with portions redacted. The documents originate from FBI and CIA series identified by the Assassination Records Review Board as assassination records. More releases will follow.

To view the entire file, you may visit the National Archives at College Park and request access to the original records.


I had a peek at a couple. I just wonder who is going to read them? I dont envy them.


There's an army of people who will slog through them all trying to find some interesting pieces.
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