Poppycock.
Want an event with a probability of less than 10-40? Try 140 coin tosses in sequence, that all land "heads".
But if such an event did occur, then it would be down to chance.
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More to the point: each possible outcome of that experiment has the same probability. The event of "all showing heads" isn't any more significant than any other particular sequence of heads and tails.Calilasseia wrote:Want an event with a probability of less than 10-40? Try 140 coin tosses in sequence, that all land "heads".
But if such an event did occur, then it would be down to chance.
Greyman wrote:More to the point: each possible outcome of that experiment has the same probability. The event of "all showing heads" isn't any more significant than any other particular sequence of heads and tails.Calilasseia wrote:Want an event with a probability of less than 10-40? Try 140 coin tosses in sequence, that all land "heads".
But if such an event did occur, then it would be down to chance.
Greyman wrote:More to the point: each possible outcome of that experiment has the same probability. The event of "all showing heads" isn't any more significant than any other particular sequence of heads and tails.Calilasseia wrote:Want an event with a probability of less than 10-40? Try 140 coin tosses in sequence, that all land "heads".
But if such an event did occur, then it would be down to chance.
Calilasseia wrote:
Poppycock.
Want an event with a probability of less than 10-40? Try 140 coin tosses in sequence, that all land "heads".
But if such an event did occur, then it would be down to chance.
Wortfish wrote:surreptitious57 wrote:Wortfish wrote:
winning the lottery and learning you have inherited a fortune and learning that your wife has unexpectedly and
suddenly recovered from cancer - all on the same day. That would be grounds to suppose a miracle had taken place
All those things are entirely possible even if the odds of them happening on the same day are infinitesimal since infinitesimal is still within reason even if you do not think it is. A miracle would have to be some thing that defied
all rational explanation. But what you have described is not a miracle but unconnected though explainable events
occurring within a specific time period
Such an outcome is possible but the chances of it happening are so remote that it can be regarded as a miracle
Wortfish wrote:
I believe if the odds are less than 1 in 10 - 40 then we can rule out the possibility of sheer chance
Sendraks wrote:
This is irrelevant when it comes to an omnipotent entity. An omnipotent deity can do whatever it likes. An omnipotent deity can choose not to change the rules once it has set them up but, being omnipotent, there is no reason why it should have set the rules up in a particular way.
You're again conflating human made processes with how the universe simply is but, failing to see that you're simply trying to assume that a) there is something behind those processes and b) you're anthropomorphising onto it. Basically, you don't even recognise you're simply projecting humanity onto things.
Either god cannot do anything or god willingly allows evil to happen.
Wortfish wrote: Likewise, having created a universe, God cannot destroy it.
Why not?
So God isn't omnipotent. Because to be omnipotent is absolute.
How do you know? How do you know that God wasn't created by another entity more powerful than God is simply testing to see how well God is working out?
Ah, so God is omnipotent but, chooses not to use his power, so that natural processes which cause great suffering and harm, happen.
surreptitious57 wrote:Wortfish wrote:
I believe if the odds are less than 1 in 10 - 40 then we can rule out the possibility of sheer chance
What event happens below those odds that would deem it a miracle rather than simply random
That figure is greater than 0 so then anything happening between it and 0 can not be a miracle
surreptitious57 wrote:Wortfish wrote:surreptitious57 wrote:Wortfish wrote:
winning the lottery and learning you have inherited a fortune and learning that your wife has unexpectedly and
suddenly recovered from cancer - all on the same day. That would be grounds to suppose a miracle had taken place
All those things are entirely possible even if the odds of them happening on the same day are infinitesimal since infinitesimal is still within reason even if you do not think it is. A miracle would have to be some thing that defied
all rational explanation. But what you have described is not a miracle but unconnected though explainable events
occurring within a specific time period
Such an outcome is possible but the chances of it happening are so remote that it can be regarded as a miracle
Anything with a probability greater than 0 cannot be a miracle no matter how close to 0 it may be. All probabilities
exist between 0 and I and so for something to be deemed a miracle it would have to have a probability less than 0
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