I really have to admire the forbearance of those who continued dealing with this individual, not to mention his evidence-free assertions and childish ad hominems directed toward anyone not genuflecting before his assertionist gibberish. This 331 page thread should be required reading for anyone who thinks creationism has any real answers, particularly in the light of the fact that this individual, back in the RDF days, demonstrated that despite claiming to possess specialist knowledge from his dental practice purportedly "refuting" evolution, he was unaware of the existence of a large body of scientific papers, containing the exposition of evolutionary mechanisms implicated in tooth morphogenesis, that flushed his assertions down the toilet.

Personally, I think this is far from over. Steve will continue to spout nonsense through his videos and blog which I'll still be posting on this thread for critiquing.
And it'll probably only be a matter of time before he's back on this forum under a different user name, which is standard troll procedure when getting the boot.

CADman2300 wrote:Personally, I think this is far from over. Steve will continue to spout nonsense through his videos and blog which I'll still be posting on this thread for critiquing.
And it'll probably only be a matter of time before he's back on this forum under a different user name, which is standard troll procedure when getting the boot.

Meh. That feels wrong. OK his BS will be out there but saying "you were banned from commenting on this thread so we'll continue bashing you were you can't respond anymore".

Given that Calli had asked Alice Roberts to join us I feel that banning Steve was a little premature, as that would be one interchange of views that would be worth watching, especially if Brian Cox came along for the ride.

Anyhow I wouldn't have called Steve a troll - misguided maybe, something of a PIA for his unwillingness to learn but a full-blown troll probably not.

ramseyoptom wrote:Anyhow I wouldn't have called Steve a troll - misguided maybe, something of a PIA for his unwillingness to learn but a full-blown troll probably not.

I don't know quite what sorts of exchanges you're hoping to see; by definition, somebody professing irreducible complexity can't learn anything without destroying the argument at its center.

You might want to ponder all the reasons that theists show up here with their shit. It isn't always because they hope to convince anyone but themselves. A lot of the most annoying behaviours spring from the inevitable tension that must arise when a theist is not utterly without awareness that a position is untenable. There can be a lot of resentment for people not in such straits, and so they end up with a consequent desire to crap on freedom of thought.

You don't see this in face-to-face encounters, which can't last under those circumstances. The social dynamic of an internet forum is full of imperfections that preclude outlining the metaphysics of trolling, in the really-o, truly-o sense, and some interpretations of the FUA, alas, try to do just that. In this case, Steve's behaviour simply got bad enough for him to be banned. It's a mystery to me how someone can make a one-note samba go on so long before giving up and becoming a complete asshole. It's probably something in his life that has nothing to do with creationism.

I don't identify being annoying with trolling, because, fuck knows, some of my stuff is annoying, too, and I intend it to be so.

ramseyoptom wrote:Anyhow I wouldn't have called Steve a troll - misguided maybe, something of a PIA for his unwillingness to learn but a full-blown troll probably not.

Not at first perhaps. He mixed trolling behavior (just trying to get a rise out of people) with actual arguments (which, as worthless as they were did spark off some interesting information in response). However of late his posting has denigrated to trolling, and trolling alone.

Steve may be ancient history on this forum but this latest tidbit is music to my ears. His book on Amazon finally got a review from someone who is definitely not a sockpuppet. http://www.amazon.com/Evo-illusion-Why- ... nskepti-20

This book is laughably ignorant. The author doesn't understand basic scientific concepts. It appears that he either didn't get any formal education on the subject, or was taught evolution by someone who denied it. If you want to learn anything about evolution, or ID for than matter this book is not for you.

I kinda wish the review was longer but he gets his point across just fine.

Then there's this.


Not to add insult to injury but I think the fatigue of getting kicked off permanently has finally gotten to him.

ZOMFG, a insult to nature!
We've hurt nature's feefees!!1!!

Oh bloody hell, don't tell me he's channelling Dembski now?

Only this is the sort of crap that Dembski used to come up with. Such as the Judge Jones video in which Dembski admitted providing the fart noises himself.

I suppose Dimbski could have multiple personality disorder.

Wouldn't surprise me.

Awww he dedicated a whole page on his blog to us:
http://evillusion.wordpress.com/i-debate-evillusionists/23-narguing-at-rationalskepticism-org/

“Hydrogen is a colorless, odorless gas that, given enough time, will turn into human beings.” Author unknown

Carl Sagan said that. He was right. It also turned into stars, planets and everything else we see. Don't tell Steve, his brain-absent skull might just explode.

That was quick. Banned from commenting on steves site after one post and his reply of how stupid I am.

lucek wrote:That was quick. Banned from commenting on steves site after one post and his reply of how stupid I am.

Happened to most of us who tried.

If you view the Eugenie farce in youtube and scroll down to the comments you'll see a nice little debate that I'm still carrying out with Steve. It's funny really because I thought he banned me years ago. Maybe the techies changed it so blocking people is now more difficult or impossible, I don't know. I was also able to comment on two of his other videos finally. The new comment system that YT is using is quite an improvement from before.

Steve vents his rage on me in Youtube.

Isn't it interesting that I allow you to comment here when you and your cohorts blocked me? Can you get any idea about how absurd that is on your part, and fair it is on mine?

Trolls get blocked quite often and for good reason. During your last few days on Ratskep, all you did was bait people and repeat the same nonsense over and over. Why should you be surprised if people got sick of you and gave you the boot?

I like freedom of thought, unlike you and your friends.

Actually no, you don't. Otherwise you'd have been more civil in how you handled having all your fallacies exposed.

If you were blocked here long ago, it was because you were repetitively rude obnoxious and demeaning.

Ancient history with no contemporary relevance.

I allow about three to five name calling comments, (far more than ratskep allows ID'ers) which you did to get blocked,

I think I only called you a moron once. It's so long ago that I don't quite remember, not that I should still care.

then you are gone. And, no, it only takes the push of a button to block you. It's fully my choice to block, not YT's. And it's easy.

If any of that was true, the blocking you gave me before would still be in effect and I would have been blocked well before I started commenting on your most recent video and two of your older ones.

I like freedom of thought, unlike you and your friends.

This is a lie, he's banned me and several other people from commenting on his blog, after we destroyed his vapid wibbling.