Nicko wrote:Alan B wrote:BWE wrote:The fundamentalist wing of science involves strict belief that no knowledge is valid if it doesn't have controlled experimental evidence supporting the hypotheses which support that knowledge.
The absence of knowledge does
not imply the presence of belief. But the presence of 'belief'
does imply a lack of knowledge.
Therefore, 'lack of knowledge' cannot be synonymous with religion.
I think you're confusing "belief" with "faith", among other things.
A claim that one
believes proposition x to be true is a claim that one
knows proposition x to be true.
If someone claims to
believe there is a god, they are claiming to
know there is a god. The fact that everyone in recorded history who has ever made this claim has had very bad reasons for thinking this true, is beside the point.
However, at least in British English
communication, 'I believe'
does usually imply uncertainty.
If someone who is asked '
It it raining?' replies '
I believe it is', the reply is either conveying actual uncertainty, or circumspection feigned as part of a particular style of interaction where direct replies are often avoided.
If someone is asked "
Is the man who attacked you in the identity parade?" and they reply "
I believe so", that would be interpreted as expressing meaningful uncertainty - much more like saying "
I think..." than "
I know...".
If I say I believe someone is telling the truth, that means something quite different to me saying I know they are telling the truth. Even with the strongest interpretation of 'believe', it suggests some personal element, whereas if I said I knew someone was telling the truth, that would seem to imply I had evidence which should persuade a reasonable third party.
If I say I
believe my SO is the most gorgeous woman on the planet, that would generally be taken as an indication of my subjective feelings, not an actual claim about reality.
If I said I
knew she was the most gorgeous woman, that would be a quite different thing.
Typical usage does seem to suggest 'belief' as either less than 100% confidence, or confidence reaching beyond the evidence (faith?).
Even with your: "
A claim that one [i]believes proposition x to be true is a claim that one knows proposition x to be true.[/i]", I'd suggest that 'belief' there didn't necessarily imply 100% confidence.
I don't do sarcasm smileys, but someone as bright as you has probably figured that out already.