Do I have to run you through the biological basis for empathy and ethical reasoning all over again?
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Mick wrote:Say what you wish, but it is a matter of historical fact.
What is? That your opinion is that there is no better account of human rights? So what? Your opinion doesn't count for much. Or the fact of biblical calls to undignified acts upon various persons, which hardly bolsters your case?Mick wrote:chairman bill wrote:Mick wrote:I can't defend the idea of democracy per se being a Christian thang, but ideas concerning intrinsic human dignity and such anchor in the Abrahamic faith, at least here in the West. I've yet to see a better account of human rights.
yes, because the biblical exhortations to slaughter unbelievers, or stone those who transgress idiotic moral precepts, is born out of respect for the intrinsic dignity of all people
Say what you wish, but it is a matter of historical fact.
chairman bill wrote:What is? That your opinion is that there is no better account of human rights? So what? Your opinion doesn't count for much. Or the fact of biblical calls to undignified acts upon various persons, which hardly bolsters your case?Mick wrote:chairman bill wrote:Mick wrote:I can't defend the idea of democracy per se being a Christian thang, but ideas concerning intrinsic human dignity and such anchor in the Abrahamic faith, at least here in the West. I've yet to see a better account of human rights.
yes, because the biblical exhortations to slaughter unbelievers, or stone those who transgress idiotic moral precepts, is born out of respect for the intrinsic dignity of all people
Say what you wish, but it is a matter of historical fact.
Mick wrote:chairman bill wrote:What is? That your opinion is that there is no better account of human rights? So what? Your opinion doesn't count for much. Or the fact of biblical calls to undignified acts upon various persons, which hardly bolsters your case?
No, it is a matter of historical fact that the conception here in the West concerning human rights is anchored or takes historical root in the Abrahamic faith. It began with the Jews (image of god) and Christianity extended it, from there it developed and flourished. You think the pagans had such ideas? Egyptians? Greek monotheists? Not a chance.
Mick wrote:
Ah, and now the contentious and presumed premise rears its head.
Calilasseia wrote:
Do I have to run you through the biological basis for empathy and ethical reasoning all over again?
Mick wrote:Sure. Try it in the formal debate forum. I encourage you to debate me on ethics, something which I have plenty of formal training in.
Animavore wrote:Mick wrote:chairman bill wrote:What is? That your opinion is that there is no better account of human rights? So what? Your opinion doesn't count for much. Or the fact of biblical calls to undignified acts upon various persons, which hardly bolsters your case?
No, it is a matter of historical fact that the conception here in the West concerning human rights is anchored or takes historical root in the Abrahamic faith. It began with the Jews (image of god) and Christianity extended it, from there it developed and flourished. You think the pagans had such ideas? Egyptians? Greek monotheists? Not a chance.
Of course they did.
Mick wrote:Animavore wrote:Mick wrote:chairman bill wrote:What is? That your opinion is that there is no better account of human rights? So what? Your opinion doesn't count for much. Or the fact of biblical calls to undignified acts upon various persons, which hardly bolsters your case?
No, it is a matter of historical fact that the conception here in the West concerning human rights is anchored or takes historical root in the Abrahamic faith. It began with the Jews (image of god) and Christianity extended it, from there it developed and flourished. You think the pagans had such ideas? Egyptians? Greek monotheists? Not a chance.
Of course they did.
Of course "they" did what? You think those dudes had conceptions of human rights? Rights held by humans in virtue of being human? That's a silly claim.
Mick wrote:
Sure. Try it in the formal debate forum. I encourage you to debate me on ethics, something which I have plenty of formal training in.
Mick wrote:many, many people do not agree.
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