Not a parody thread - I'm always happy to listen to good reasoned arguments!

j x

*crickets chirping*

No evidence?

jerome wrote:Not a parody thread - I'm always happy to listen to good reasoned arguments!

j x

Does your belief include the idea that mankind was once immortal and that we die because of the sin of Adam and Eve?

If it does, then I have a bunch more questions for you. If it doesn't, then why are you a believer?

On a more serious note from me, you probably already don't believe in numerous supernatural entities, which makes me wonder about the consistency of your incredulity.

keypad5 wrote:On a more serious note from me, you probably already don't believe in numerous supernatural entities, which makes me wonder about the consistency of your incredulity.

I believe in more supernatural entities than you might imagine: and a lot of paranormal ones too. I'm Jerome, I really do believe six impossible things before breakfast. Zeus? sure! Ghosts! Yep! Fairies - absolutely! and so forth (In fact I got a good ten pages out of Zeus alone on the JREF).

j x

elroywillis wrote:

jerome wrote:Not a parody thread - I'm always happy to listen to good reasoned arguments!

j x

Does your belief include the idea that mankind was once immortal and that we die because of the sin of Adam and Eve?

If it does, then I have a bunch more questions for you. If it doesn't, then why are you a believer?

Nope, I don't believe that, if you mean did it happen like that. I don't think the Archbishop of Canterbury or the Pope believes that either, and I don't doubt they believe in God?

j x

I would take this thread more seriously if it wasnt you, Jerome XD

atrasicarius wrote:No evidence?

Plenty of evidence. Ridiculous amounts? It's quality not quantity with evidence. Once can find evidence for almost any assertion, no matter how bat shit crazy it is. I could spend all night showing you evidence for the Hopskinville Goblins or Bigfoot or RD's integrity or all manner of improbable things

atrasicarius wrote:I would take this thread more seriously if it wasnt you, Jerome XD

I take guerilla ontology seriously:my existence challenges orthodoxies, nothing more is required. (for those not familiar with the term - http://everything2.com/title/Guerilla+ontology ) However note that does not mean I am not exactly what I say Iam - I am (Anglican, Ghosthunter, Woo-id, Sceptic, Rationalist ) - it's just that seems to unsetlle some people.

j x

jerome wrote:

elroywillis wrote:Does your belief include the idea that mankind was once immortal and that we die because of the sin of Adam and Eve?

If it does, then I have a bunch more questions for you. If it doesn't, then why are you a believer?

Nope, I don't believe that, if you mean did it happen like that. I don't think the Archbishop of Canterbury or the Pope believes that either, and I don't doubt they believe in God?

j x

Lemme guess... You don't even believe Jesus died for the sins of man either?

jerome wrote:

keypad5 wrote:On a more serious note from me, you probably already don't believe in numerous supernatural entities, which makes me wonder about the consistency of your incredulity.

I believe in more supernatural entities than you might imagine: and a lot of paranormal ones too. I'm Jerome, I really do believe six impossible things before breakfast. Zeus? sure! Ghosts! Yep! Fairies - absolutely! and so forth (In fact I got a good ten pages out of Zeus alone on the JREF).

j x

oops, my bad with the assumption.

The only real reason not to believe is lack of evidence/adequate arguments in favour of it. So the only way we can convince you not to believe would be to address the arguments that convince you to believe.

jerome wrote:

atrasicarius wrote:I would take this thread more seriously if it wasnt you, Jerome XD

I take guerilla ontology seriously:my existence challenges orthodoxies, nothing more is required. (for those not familiar with the term - http://everything2.com/title/Guerilla+ontology ) However note that does not mean I am not exactly what I say Iam - I am (Anglican, Ghosthunter, Woo-id, Sceptic, Rationalist ) - it's just that seems to unsetlle some people.

j x

"Sometimes I take humor seriously. Sometimes I take seriousness humorously. Either way it is irrelevant."
Mal2

I'm With Stupid wrote:The only real reason not to believe is lack of evidence/adequate arguments in favour of it. So the only way we can convince you not to believe would be to address the arguments that convince you to believe.

Excellent point The problem is I don't have any. I used to not believe, and then one day I did. I can't say when it happened, how it happened, or really make a defining point. I have the same problem with the other thread "why should i believe?" I don't know why anyone doesn't -- I'm just pretty honest about it. I don't think it's actually a choice: I never assented to a set o propositions and suddenly found that God was the outcome

j x

elroywillis wrote:
Lemme guess... You don't even believe Jesus died for the sins of man either?

Yep, I do believe that But then we have to understand what we mean by sin!

jerome wrote:

I'm With Stupid wrote:The only real reason not to believe is lack of evidence/adequate arguments in favour of it. So the only way we can convince you not to believe would be to address the arguments that convince you to believe.

Excellent point The problem is I don't have any. I used to not believe, and then one day I did. I can't say when it happened, how it happened, or really make a defining point. I have the same problem with the other thread "why should i believe?" I don't know why anyone doesn't -- I'm just pretty honest about it. I don't think it's actually a choice: I never assented to a set o propositions and suddenly found that God was the outcome

j x

Do you believe you're just naturally that way inclined then? That some people have a predisposition to believe in something bigger, irrespective of any rational basis? Kinda like how you just like certain music, and once you've decided in your own mind you prefer one band to another, you can intellectualise it by banging on about song structure and production values, but essentially, it's just a feeling you have?

jerome wrote: Excellent point. The problem is I don't have any.

Then you shouldn't believe. Thread closed?

I'm With Stupid wrote:
Do you believe you're just naturally that way inclined then? That some people have a predisposition to believe in something bigger?

Nope. I am without a doubt naturally predisposed towards atheism: I found the notion of God ridiculous at a very early age as early as I could think about it. I remained like that for a very large part of my life. I could no more believe in God than I could deny gravity. That changed, and i could invent dozens of reasons why, and tell a net little conversion story - but which ever i chose, it would be at best a partial truth.

j x

Viraldi wrote:

jerome wrote: Excellent point. The problem is I don't have any.

Then you shouldn't believe. Thread closed?

Great one! Yet I believe. So do I believe for irrational reasons? Maybe. The question however does remain, why should I not believe?