Macroinvertebrate wrote:

Ironclad wrote:True. But I can't see him as a Comfort-strength character either; he hit us up with a bunch of the usual, watched them being pulled apart, then had to leave - feeling somewhat uncomfortable.
Hey, maybe I got poe-ed, but he's fairly young.

He's got 11 years on you, apparently.

Macroinvertebrate wrote:people don't use logic and reason in their defense of their theism, and they are so obviously dead-set in their beliefs that no amount of logic and reason will change their minds.

Regina wrote:

Macroinvertebrate wrote:

Ironclad wrote:True. But I can't see him as a Comfort-strength character either; he hit us up with a bunch of the usual, watched them being pulled apart, then had to leave - feeling somewhat uncomfortable.
Hey, maybe I got poe-ed, but he's fairly young.

He's got 11 years on you, apparently.

Ah, yeah. Looks can be so deceiving. Iron is a case in point.

Macroinvertebrate wrote:

Ironclad wrote:

Obvious Poe is obvious.

I dunno, benefit of the doubt from me. His ideas have been roundly challenged and the things (I assume) he has been told (by religious teachers) as correct are really quite weak, when examined properly. All ex-theists must have travelled this path, when they've had their own ideas challenged, then self-examined.
I'm with Aggi, I think it's important to let the man have some space to think and get back to you/us, rather than quote posts he made early yesterday and demolish them repeatedly. If he isn't a poe the extra hits might just just make him dig his heels in. Like an ardent creationist does.

Come on, now. I've NEVER seen a hardcore Bible-thumping atheist-hater suddenly become an atheist in less than 24 hours. Have you? The main reason I call Poe is that these types of people don't use logic and reason in their defense of their theism, and they are so obviously dead-set in their beliefs that no amount of logic and reason will change their minds. What do you think the odds are that someone like Kent Hovind or Ray Comfort would suddenly begin to employ logic and reason to reject theism, and so much so that they would proclaim that they are now atheists? Not bloody likely!

hackenslash wrote:I've seen cases such as this, where somebody had the stock arguments but was swayed by being exposed to the total annihilation of those arguments. If you turn up for a nuke fight armed with marshmallows, there can only be one of two outcomes; either you'll lie to yourself and cling to the belief or you'll realise that the belief itself was ill-founded and shed it. It says a lot, actually, that suspicion abounds here, but this is clearly due to the fact that the regulars here have been exposed to the former repeatedly over several years.

I'll give the poster the benefit of the doubt until I have reason to do otherwise.

Ironclad wrote:LMAO, if it was Lion IRC be inclined to agree (though I don't dismiss the notion) but this is a kid sub-100 posts, one who's tried to attempted to tackle a rational forum headon with canards old.
Actually, I think you're right, but I'm inclined to follow Aggie, ruler of teh universe. For a few hours. Agz, over to you.

Ps, can i just add.. your description above paints a picture of 'young Skywalker'. Too far gone. ehe

virphen wrote:Of course it's not a change of mind, it's just yet another person coming here with the intent of trolling. Not even making the most basic attempts to disguise it, either... and we reward it, reward it, reward it...

AtheismIsIrrational wrote:
There is no God.

Macroinvertebrate wrote:

Ironclad wrote:

Obvious Poe is obvious.

I dunno, benefit of the doubt from me. His ideas have been roundly challenged and the things (I assume) he has been told (by religious teachers) as correct are really quite weak, when examined properly. All ex-theists must have travelled this path, when they've had their own ideas challenged, then self-examined.
I'm with Aggi, I think it's important to let the man have some space to think and get back to you/us, rather than quote posts he made early yesterday and demolish them repeatedly. If he isn't a poe the extra hits might just just make him dig his heels in. Like an ardent creationist does.

Come on, now. I've NEVER seen a hardcore Bible-thumping atheist-hater suddenly become an atheist in less than 24 hours. Have you? The main reason I call Poe is that these types of people don't use logic and reason in their defense of their theism, and they are so obviously dead-set in their beliefs that no amount of logic and reason will change their minds. What do you think the odds are that someone like Kent Hovind or Ray Comfort would suddenly begin to employ logic and reason to reject theism, and so much so that they would proclaim that they are now atheists? Not bloody likely!

JHendrix wrote:

Macroinvertebrate wrote:

Ironclad wrote:

Obvious Poe is obvious.

I dunno, benefit of the doubt from me. His ideas have been roundly challenged and the things (I assume) he has been told (by religious teachers) as correct are really quite weak, when examined properly. All ex-theists must have travelled this path, when they've had their own ideas challenged, then self-examined.
I'm with Aggi, I think it's important to let the man have some space to think and get back to you/us, rather than quote posts he made early yesterday and demolish them repeatedly. If he isn't a poe the extra hits might just just make him dig his heels in. Like an ardent creationist does.

Come on, now. I've NEVER seen a hardcore Bible-thumping atheist-hater suddenly become an atheist in less than 24 hours. Have you? The main reason I call Poe is that these types of people don't use logic and reason in their defense of their theism, and they are so obviously dead-set in their beliefs that no amount of logic and reason will change their minds. What do you think the odds are that someone like Kent Hovind or Ray Comfort would suddenly begin to employ logic and reason to reject theism, and so much so that they would proclaim that they are now atheists? Not bloody likely!

For reference, it was on another forum, years ago, that I was one of those bible-thumping folks. I used "the standard stuff" to challenge atheists, and it got picked apart.

You're right in a sense that I didn't become an atheist overnight, but it shook the hell out of me to see things get trashed apart so soundly. It started a process that got me to eventually get out of religion.

Could be this guy be a Poe? Sure, looks like a textbook version. But this process of interaction and watching arguments be pointed out as unsound can have a huge effect on people. Could just be something where he was doubting, found apologetics and got a surge of hope/courage and went on a posting spree. Getting the apologetics smashed could just be the thing that breaks an entrenched faith.

AtheismIsIrrational wrote:I'll say it again: Unless, you can prove why demons are illogical or evidence that don't exist. It can explain why there is natural evil without hurting God's all-lovingness.

Leprechauns could also acceptable to why there is evil without going against God's all-lovingness.