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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1681  Postby Fallible » Nov 07, 2014 1:15 pm

savithru wrote:
catbasket wrote:The poor things don't have a Wikipedia entry.

They have a blog which isn't exactly a hive of activity.

They also have an annual convention - MithraCon:

MithraCon wrote:Since this is a small specialist convention, we sleep in the con suite; the men in one room and the ladies in the other. Or you could book your own room for privacy. We will have a refrigerator and microwave in the con suite.


savithru wrote:... there are lots of people who share the same beliefs as I do.



:rofl:


That's because Paganism is not an organized religion like other modern mainstream religions. It doesn't mean there are none who don't hold the beliefs that I do. They're not all the same : Meet some other hard polytheists. Islam, Judaism, orthodox Christianity are all wrong and false because they are monotheistic. Atheistic religions like Jainism and Theravada Buddhism are wrong too because many gods exist.


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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1682  Postby monkeyboy » Nov 07, 2014 1:48 pm

BlackBart wrote:They've managed to organise a fridge and microwave - I wonder if they'll be able to organise a kettle?

:rofl:

Hey! Watch who you're mocking. I heard from a source that they've got their hands on a sandwich toaster for the hard core members. I'd be careful. Next step could be a full blown George Foreman special ops grill!
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1683  Postby Sendraks » Nov 07, 2014 1:55 pm

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Looky here, I too am now a member of The Julian Society (heretical branch, schism of 2014):

juliansocietycatbasket.jpg


Sorry, we don't welcome any traitors into our society.


Traitors? You'd actually need to have a society (which given you're not organised, means any such cohesive entity that could be construed as a society doesn't exist) with some sort of purpose, principles and system of law for someone to actually be a traitor against.

People who don't hold the same point as view as you are not traitors.
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1684  Postby BlackBart » Nov 07, 2014 1:58 pm

But... but... he went through the sacred ceremony of downloading the pdf file. :nono:
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1685  Postby Alan B » Nov 07, 2014 2:22 pm

'Mithracon'? I feel the suffix 'con' may have some relevance here...
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1686  Postby Sendraks » Nov 07, 2014 2:53 pm

Alan B wrote:'Mithracon'? I feel the suffix 'con' may have some relevance here...


Didn't Optimus Prime fight against him at some point?
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1687  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2014 3:19 pm

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Um okay. I don't know what you seek to achieve by spouting that though. It means no more to me (nor should it to anyone) than a Flat Earther declaring that he will continue the efforts to restore a belief that the Earth is flat. :dunno:


Goes on to show that I am not alone in all this, there are lots of people who share the same beliefs as I do.


'Lots' being approximately how many?
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1688  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2014 3:20 pm

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Looky here, I too am now a member of The Julian Society (heretical branch, schism of 2014):

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:lol: :cheers:
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1689  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2014 3:21 pm

savithru wrote:
catbasket wrote:
Looky here, I too am now a member of The Julian Society (heretical branch, schism of 2014):

juliansocietycatbasket.jpg


Sorry, we don't welcome any traitors into our society.



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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1690  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2014 3:25 pm

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That's because Paganism is not an organized religion like other modern mainstream religions. It doesn't mean there are none who don't hold the beliefs that I do. They're not all the same : Meet some other hard polytheists. Islam, Judaism, orthodox Christianity are all wrong and false because they are monotheistic. Atheistic religions like Jainism and Theravada Buddhism are wrong too because many gods exist.


So one of the founding principles of modern but not modern neo but not neo Paganism is that it's actually alighted on a position superior to everyone else!

What a remarkable notion - I've never heard any religious person make such a claim before! :grin:
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1691  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2014 3:27 pm

BlackBart wrote:They've managed to organise a fridge and microwave - I wonder if they'll be able to organise a kettle?

:rofl:



Kettles are banned! Do you know nothing about Hebolaz the Horned Hierophant of Higher Heaven and his eternal condemnation of all things kettley?

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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1692  Postby catbasket » Nov 07, 2014 3:34 pm

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It doesn't mean there are none who don't hold the beliefs that I do.

Who said there are none? Nobody. You used the Julian Society to claim that:
savithru wrote:... there are lots of people who share the same beliefs as I do.


I simply showed that the numbers involved with the Julian Society don't back up your claim.

Now, as further evidence that "there are lots of people who share the same beliefs as I do" you give us this link:


Even the title of that Blog entry shows that "They're not all the same" and therefore that also doesn't back up your claim that:
savithru wrote:... there are lots of people who share the same beliefs as I do.


Let's actually read the first sentence of that Blog entry:
In my last post, I used Jason Mankey’s interview of self-described atheist Pagan Amy B. as an opportunity to introduce you to three other non-theistic Pagans, bloggers who described themselves variously as naturalistic, atheistic, non-deistic, and pantheistic, all of whom express a deep sense of reverence toward Pagan ritual.


You're talking out your arse savithru.
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1693  Postby savithru » Nov 07, 2014 6:03 pm

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Traitors? You'd actually need to have a society (which given you're not organised, means any such cohesive entity that could be construed as a society doesn't exist) with some sort of purpose, principles and system of law for someone to actually be a traitor against.


We have a purpose, a set of principles and a system of law. Its compiled as Neoplatonism and Gnosticism. Only those who are adherents to the doctrines of Neoplatonism and Gnosticism can be a part of our society.


People who don't hold the same point as view as you are not traitors.


Of course then tell your fellow members to not to falsely associate with our society unless they are willing to work towards restoring Paganism as a major world religion with all their might and heart.
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1694  Postby savithru » Nov 07, 2014 6:20 pm

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It doesn't mean there are none who don't hold the beliefs that I do.

Who said there are none? Nobody.


Xaihe and Spearthrower said I am alone and there is no one following my religion.


You used the Julian Society to claim that:
savithru wrote:... there are lots of people who share the same beliefs as I do.


I simply showed that the numbers involved with the Julian Society don't back up your claim.


The numbers are quite large enough to prove that I am not alone in this.


Now, as further evidence that "there are lots of people who share the same beliefs as I do" you give us this link:


Even the title of that Blog entry shows that "They're not all the same" and therefore that also doesn't back up your claim that:
savithru wrote:... there are lots of people who share the same beliefs as I do.


Let's actually read the first sentence of that Blog entry:
In my last post, I used Jason Mankey’s interview of self-described atheist Pagan Amy B. as an opportunity to introduce you to three other non-theistic Pagans, bloggers who described themselves variously as naturalistic, atheistic, non-deistic, and pantheistic, all of whom express a deep sense of reverence toward Pagan ritual.



Hard Polytheists are hard to come by but the important point is they still retain their Pagan identity despite calling themselves as atheists or whatever which opens the possibility that they might change their mind after researching more and reading scholarly evidence. Eventually either they will be converted to Hard Polytheism or strong atheism depending on their studies and life experiences, the numbers are low now but it will definitely increase.


You're talking out your arse savithru.


I'm ain't out of my mind.
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1695  Postby Fallible » Nov 07, 2014 6:27 pm

savithru wrote:
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Traitors? You'd actually need to have a society (which given you're not organised, means any such cohesive entity that could be construed as a society doesn't exist) with some sort of purpose, principles and system of law for someone to actually be a traitor against.


We have a purpose, a set of principles and a system of law. Its compiled as Neoplatonism and Gnosticism. Only those who are adherents to the doctrines of Neoplatonism and Gnosticism can be a part of our society.


People who don't hold the same point as view as you are not traitors.


Of course then tell your fellow members to not to falsely associate with our society unless they are willing to work towards restoring Paganism as a major world religion with all their might and heart.


Why the fuck should anyone else here tell catbasket what he can associate with? We're not his parents. He can do anything he wants, and it's none of our business.
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1696  Postby Onyx8 » Nov 07, 2014 6:39 pm

The first schism.
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1697  Postby BlackBart » Nov 07, 2014 6:50 pm

Well I'm sure the Julian Society Group has amassed a huuuge number of members on Beliefnet Let's have a look...

http://community.beliefnet.com/julianso ... _tab=group

Um...two. OK well, I'm sure the julian society blog is a jumping happening place...

http://thejuliansociety.blogspot.co.uk/

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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1698  Postby catbasket » Nov 07, 2014 6:52 pm

Well I've got the membership card and I'm a fully paid up member. Don't you just love free stuff off the internet?

Ok, maybe I'm not quite as fundamentalist as some others and I may be an atheist pagan rather than a pantheist pagan. Maybe I'm not so much into the bit about continuing Julian's (he's the posh one from The Famous Five, yeah?) efforts to restore (sic) paganism as a major world religion but I'm well up for the Roman feast:

MithraCon.org wrote:There is a “Roman feast” in the conference suite on Saturday evening, and during that time participants share presentations and discussion on a wide variety of topics.


Where I'll also be able to attempt a coup and bring the whole society under the control of Schism of 2014.

Can't wait for MithraCon 2015. There may be wine and orgies. Hopefully bacon too.
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1699  Postby BlackBart » Nov 07, 2014 6:53 pm

catbasket wrote:Well I've got the membership card and I'm a fully paid up member. Don't you just love free stuff off the internet?

Ok, maybe I'm not quite as fundamentalist as some others and I may be an atheist pagan rather than a pantheist pagan. Maybe I'm not so much into the bit about continuing Julian's (he's the posh one from The Famous Five, yeah?) efforts to restore (sic) paganism as a major world religion but I'm well up for the Roman feast:

MithraCon.org wrote:There is a “Roman feast” in the conference suite on Saturday evening, and during that time participants share presentations and discussion on a wide variety of topics.


Where I'll also be able to attempt a coup and bring the whole society under the control of Schism of 2014.

Can't wait for MithraCon 2015. There may be wine and orgies. Hopefully bacon too.


You'll have to join the Beliefnet group and swell the membership to a knicker-wettingly awesome number of 3. :awesome:
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Re: Reviving the pagan mystery religions

#1700  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 07, 2014 6:59 pm

savithru wrote:
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Traitors? You'd actually need to have a society (which given you're not organised, means any such cohesive entity that could be construed as a society doesn't exist) with some sort of purpose, principles and system of law for someone to actually be a traitor against.


We have a purpose, a set of principles and a system of law. Its compiled as Neoplatonism and Gnosticism. Only those who are adherents to the doctrines of Neoplatonism and Gnosticism can be a part of our society.


What about the People's Front of Judea?



savithru wrote:
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People who don't hold the same point as view as you are not traitors.


Of course then tell your fellow members to not to falsely associate with our society unless they are willing to work towards restoring Paganism as a major world religion with all their might and heart.


Fellow members of what? The forum? They'd be your fellow members too.

As for 'falsely' 'associating' with 'your' 'society' being termed as 'traitors' - reinsert them all whence they came. Not one person here is remotely impressed Savi.

You've no more taken part in that society than Catbasket.
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