The GOD (not religion) Delusion
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Re: The GOD (not religion) Delusion
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by josephchoi » Mar 24, 2010 4:39 am
simplest definition i can come up with is, facts.
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Re: The GOD (not religion) Delusion
#102 by MitchLeBlanc » Mar 24, 2010 4:42 am
josephchoi wrote:simplest definition i can come up with is, facts.
I'm not sure what to make of that either, I have a similar problem in understanding precisely what you mean. I'm not trying to be stubborn, I promise.
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Re: The GOD (not religion) Delusion
#103 by Mr P » Mar 24, 2010 4:54 am
How about "a representation of a specific phenomenon that, while separate from that phenomenon, can be related back to independently verify it's existence".
I've highlighted independent as this can be taken to mean either numerous independent representations, a representation that can be verified by independent observers or both.
I've highlighted independent as this can be taken to mean either numerous independent representations, a representation that can be verified by independent observers or both.
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Re: The GOD (not religion) Delusion
#104 by rEvolutionist » Mar 24, 2010 5:11 am
blah blah blah....
When's Noctoenfliuefmldk going to present some evidence for the existence of God? As someone said earlier, if there has been 2000 years of it, it shouldn't be hard to find some, FFS.
When's Noctoenfliuefmldk going to present some evidence for the existence of God? As someone said earlier, if there has been 2000 years of it, it shouldn't be hard to find some, FFS.
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Re: The GOD (not religion) Delusion
#105 by ADParker » Mar 24, 2010 5:18 am
Nocterro wrote:A few more comments:
-Saying there is no evidence for God is ridiculous. You can say "The evidence is not strong enough" or "the evidence supports a different conclusion", or something similar; but saying "there is no evidence" is arbitrarily dismissing everything people have offered as evidence over the last few thousand years.
How about; "everything that has been claimed by apologists to be evidence has been found to be horribly flawed, and not supportive of their claim in any remotely valuable fashion"?
How about "there is no supporting evidence such that the existence of god remains rationally as nothing more than a possibility, like pretty much any random idea is at the very least"?
You can not justifiably say there is evidence simply because over the millennia various people have CLAIMED that such-and-such counts as evidence. Certainly not if none of it has stood up to rational scrutiny.
Nocterro wrote:
-Your view on evidence and faith is absolutely ridiculous.
Faith (as used in the theistic context, which is the only one I use the term for myself) is essentially belief through the abandonment of reason.
It is believing something despite not having (including simply not utilising) reason to reach that conclusion. If one strictly adheres to using reason, then that is reason, not Faith. If to ANY degree one goes beyond what reason provides/allows (through choosing to believe based on desire/emotion and/or imagination perhaps) then one is engaging in Faith not reason, based thinking.
This biblical definition highlights this nicely:
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for [Emotion], the evidence of things not seen [imagination] " (Hebrews 11:1, KJV, my additions in square brackets of course.)
So according to this Christian bible verse Faith is believing in things based on emotion and imagination, not on reason.
Nocterro wrote:In fact, I was an atheist myself up until a month ago. My "conversion" to theism was not based on any sort of personal experience or divine revelation, but on REASON.
Oh good, then you would be in an optimal position to furnish us with that reasoning, seeing as you reached your extraordinary conclusion through REASON and it's so very fresh, so we too could rationally reach the conclusion that you have. Please go right ahead and present us with that reasoning. What was it that convinced you?
Nocterro wrote:Because of various arguments, I now think it is more likely that God exists than does not exist.
"Various arguments"?! Why the games? What arguments?
Nocterro wrote:If you want to redefine faith to exclude reason out of some misguided effort to make your own position appear more reasonable, so be it.
It's what it means. But does it matter? Either you have good reasons or you do not. What has the definition of "Faith" got to do with it?
Nocterro wrote:I suspect that for some reason, you simply cannot accept that any theists can be reasonable.
Of course they can, but that does not mean that their theism is reasonable. People can hold both reasonable and unreasonable beliefs and positions.
But your belief in the existence of a god or gods is based on REASON isn't it? And that reasoning would be?
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Re: The GOD (not religion) Delusion
#106 by Nocterro » Mar 24, 2010 5:18 am
rEvolutionist wrote:blah blah blah....
When's Noctoenfliuefmldk going to present some evidence for the existence of God? As someone said earlier, if there has been 200 years of it, it shouldn't be hard to find some, FFS.
nontheism/debate-t3554.html
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Re: The GOD (not religion) Delusion
#107 by aspire1670 » Mar 24, 2010 7:15 am
Nocterro wrote:rEvolutionist wrote:blah blah blah....
When's Noctoenfliuefmldk going to present some evidence for the existence of God? As someone said earlier, if there has been 200 years of it, it shouldn't be hard to find some, FFS.
nontheism/debate-t3554.html
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Re: The GOD (not religion) Delusion
#108 by Nocterro » Mar 24, 2010 7:18 am
aspire1670 wrote:Nocterro wrote:rEvolutionist wrote:blah blah blah....
When's Noctoenfliuefmldk going to present some evidence for the existence of God? As someone said earlier, if there has been 200 years of it, it shouldn't be hard to find some, FFS.
nontheism/debate-t3554.html
If you say so
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Re: The GOD (not religion) Delusion
#109 by rEvolutionist » Mar 24, 2010 8:00 am
Nocterro wrote:rEvolutionist wrote:blah blah blah....
When's Noctoenfliuefmldk going to present some evidence for the existence of God? As someone said earlier, if there has been 200 years of it, it shouldn't be hard to find some, FFS.
nontheism/debate-t3554.html
Umm, there's no evidence there. That's just a thread challenging anyone to a debate. What gives?
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Re: The GOD (not religion) Delusion
#110 by Sylvie » Mar 25, 2010 6:22 am
rEvolutionist wrote: by rEvolutionist » Mar 24, 2010 5:11 pm
blah blah blah....
When's Noctoenfliuefmldk going to present some evidence for the existence of God? As someone said earlier, if there has been 2000 years of it, it shouldn't be hard to find some, FFS.
He must mean ow the sun goes around the Earth proving we are God's favourite special kids.
Or how when you torture a suspected witch if she doesn't confess it means that God gave her resolve.
Or the geological evidence that the world is 6000 years old just like the bible says....wait....
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