Wanted: A coherent definition of the Abrahamic god

stijndeloose · **#21** by **stijndeloose** » Dec 29, 2011 8:27 am

rainbow wrote:
Made of Stars wrote:So how about it theists? Can you provide a coherent definition of god?

It is impossible to define the infinite.

Interesting! So you do consider yourself a theist?

Quite convenient that your "god" is impossible to define, too.

rainbow · **#22** by **rainbow** » Dec 29, 2011 8:32 am

stijndeloose wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Made of Stars wrote:So how about it theists? Can you provide a coherent definition of god?

It is impossible to define the infinite.

Interesting! So you do consider yourself a theist?

No.

How is this relevant to the topic?

z8000783 · **#23** by **z8000783** » Dec 29, 2011 8:43 am

rainbow wrote:
Made of Stars wrote:
Jireh wrote:Please present the reasons, which most convince you strong atheism is true. Base it on a positive arguments , not on a negative ( the bible is garbage etc..... )

In another thread, Jireh posted the above.

On reflection, I came to the question: If a coherent positive argument for a-theism is to be presented, a coherent definition of theism must exist, and specifically, a coherent definition of the object of theism should be provided.

So how about it theists? Can you provide a coherent definition of god? As the common object on this forum is the Abrahamic god (YWHW, the triune god, Allah, etc) let's run with that one. Perhaps once you've come up with a consistent definition, we can have a common base to work from, define atheism, and develop arguments for and against that position.

It is impossible to define the infinite.

No it's not, given enough time.

John

rainbow · **#24** by **rainbow** » Dec 29, 2011 8:44 am

z8000783 wrote:
rainbow wrote:
Made of Stars wrote:
In another thread, Jireh posted the above.

On reflection, I came to the question: If a coherent positive argument for a-theism is to be presented, a coherent definition of theism must exist, and specifically, a coherent definition of the object of theism should be provided.

So how about it theists? Can you provide a coherent definition of god? As the common object on this forum is the Abrahamic god (YWHW, the triune god, Allah, etc) let's run with that one. Perhaps once you've come up with a consistent definition, we can have a common base to work from, define atheism, and develop arguments for and against that position.

It is impossible to define the infinite.

No it's not, given enough time.

Please explain how this would be done.

stijndeloose · **#25** by **stijndeloose** » Dec 29, 2011 8:52 am

rainbow wrote:No.

Then why did you reply? I thought MoS asked for theists' definitions. If you're not a theist, then how is your reply relevant to the topic?

rainbow · **#26** by **rainbow** » Dec 29, 2011 8:54 am

stijndeloose wrote:
rainbow wrote:No.

Then why did you reply?

I was pointing out that there is no logical answer to the question. I don't have to be a Theist to do so.
You have also responded to this thread.
Does that make you a Theist?

stijndeloose · **#27** by **stijndeloose** » Dec 29, 2011 8:56 am

rainbow wrote:Does that make you a Theist?

How would it? I replied to you, not to the OP.

rainbow · **#28** by **rainbow** » Dec 29, 2011 9:08 am

stijndeloose wrote:
rainbow wrote:Does that make you a Theist?

How would it? I replied to you, not to the OP.

The point is that one doesn't have to be a Theist to contribute to this topic.

Please point out how this personalisation is relevant to the discussion.

stijndeloose · **#29** by **stijndeloose** » Dec 29, 2011 9:30 am

rainbow wrote:The point is that one doesn't have to be a Theist to contribute to this topic.

Please point out where I said one has to be a theist to contribute to this topic. Otherwise, you're straw-manning. Which wouldn't exactly be surprising, of course.

Of course anyone can contribute, but MoS specifically asked for theists' definitions:

MoS wrote:So how about it theists? Can you provide a coherent definition of god? As the common object on this forum is the Abrahamic god (YWHW, the triune god, Allah, etc) let's run with that one. Perhaps once you've come up with a consistent definition, we can have a common base to work from, define atheism, and develop arguments for and against that position.

You already attributed 'infinity' to God here:

rainbow wrote:It is impossible to define the infinite.

Now, unless you're a theist, that attribution of yours is irrelevant to the topic. If the attribution isn't yours, I suggest you take greater care to avoid confusing people.

rainbow wrote:Please point out how this personalisation is relevant to the discussion.

See above.

z8000783 · **#30** by **z8000783** » Dec 29, 2011 9:33 am

rainbow wrote:
z8000783 wrote:
rainbow wrote:

It is impossible to define the infinite.

No it's not, given enough time.

Please explain how this would be done.

You sit in a chair and think about it, for a long time until you get the answer.

John

rainbow · **#31** by **rainbow** » Dec 29, 2011 9:44 am

stijndeloose wrote:
rainbow wrote:The point is that one doesn't have to be a Theist to contribute to this topic.

Please point out where I said one has to be a theist to contribute to this topic. Otherwise, you're straw-manning. Which wouldn't exactly be surprising, of course.

What EXACTLY are you implying by this?

rainbow · **#32** by **rainbow** » Dec 29, 2011 9:45 am

z8000783 wrote:You sit in a chair and think about it, for a long time until you get the answer.

I tried this and it didn't work.

z8000783 · **#33** by **z8000783** » Dec 29, 2011 9:56 am

You didn't do it for long enough in that case.

John

chairman bill · **#34** by **chairman bill** » Dec 29, 2011 10:08 am

Here's a coherent account - it's all made up.

How did I do?

stijndeloose · **#35** by **stijndeloose** » Dec 29, 2011 10:10 am

rainbow wrote:What EXACTLY are you implying by this?

Nothing more than I said. Can we get back on topic?

rainbow · **#36** by **rainbow** » Dec 29, 2011 10:24 am

z8000783 wrote:You didn't do it for long enough in that case.

Do you know anyone who has been successful with this technique?
If so, how long did it take?

chairman bill · **#37** by **chairman bill** » Dec 29, 2011 10:27 am

Does this thread hold the record for proportion of posts that are off-topic?

UnderConstruction · **#38** by **UnderConstruction** » Dec 29, 2011 10:29 am

rainbow wrote:
z8000783 wrote:You didn't do it for long enough in that case.

Do you know anyone who has been successful with this technique?
If so, how long did it take?

Infinity plus a minute.

rainbow · **#39** by **rainbow** » Dec 29, 2011 10:35 am

stijndeloose wrote:
rainbow wrote:What EXACTLY are you implying by this?

Nothing more than I said. Can we get back on topic?

Sure.
I thought I'd let you explain where you were going with your remark.
Apparently nowhere.

z8000783 · **#40** by **z8000783** » Dec 29, 2011 10:44 am

chairman bill wrote:Does this thread hold the record for proportion of posts that are off-topic?

I'm waiting for an answer.

John

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