tuco wrote:I see though I disagree with "little benefit". If robots are to be used more often in future, in order to protect law enforcement, there probably will be good amount of situations when suspects will not have a gas mask. I find it curious that with current tech there is no tranquillising grenade. Dead suspect does not talk.

Though authorities said they're sure Johnson was the only shooter, they don't know if he had accomplices.
"I'm not going to be satisfied until we've turned over every stone," Brown said. "We've got some level that this one suspect did do some of the shooting. But we're not satisfied that we've exhausted every lead," he said. "So if there's someone out there who's associated with this, we will find you, we will prosecute you, and we will bring you to justice."
The Dallas police chief told reporters it's too soon to speculate on the suspect's motives, and it's unclear whether more suspects are on the loose.

Willie71 wrote:

Oldskeptic wrote:

Willie71 wrote:
I'll take this on. It's fucking bullshit. When a group oppresses people, they either turn to learned helplessness, or they fight back. I don't agree with shooting anyone, or the second Ammendment. No individual deserves to be executed like this, but it's completely understandable psychologically as to why it happens. It's even predictable.

Very predictable when the "discourse" includes accusations of rampant murder and assassinations by the racist police, that's why I said I've been expecting something like this. Psychologically understandable? Maybe in a text book way, but as someone who's training and job involves diagnosing and determining the mental health needs of communities would you recommend listening to or participating in continual hate speech against another group as part of your therapy? And being that violent reactions are to be expected, even predictable, do you condone figureheads and "community" leaders using inflammatory rhetoric against an entire group of over a million people?

What psychological term might you use for someone calling for calm and peace while at the same time using terms such "racists" and "murderers" to cover millions of people that have nothing to do with isolated incidents of violence.

What psychological term might you use for someone that can't or simply refuses to discriminate between the case of a violent career criminal with a gun he's barred by law from owning being shot while resisting arrest and a generally law abiding genuinely nice guy apparently shot for no good reason?

Is there a psychological term for someone that, no matter what the circumstances, automatically and instantly begins shouting, "Murder," or "Assassination," or "Execution," and "Racism" solely based on the race of the person killed.

If someone were convicted of murder simply because they were black, people like Al Sharpton, Black Lives Matter, and you and Crank would scream your fucking heads off. But that doesn't stop them from automatically and instantly convicting, in the press or on the internet, a police officer that shoots a black man.

Willie71 wrote:
Pointing out problems does not cause the problems.

It does if the problem doesn't really exist or is a small problem with some individuals but is blown up to include a whole, over a million strong, group of people honestly trying to do a difficult job.

Willie71 wrote:
This is the belief of those raised in authoritarian environments where obedience is unquestioning, like in an alcoholic family. Shoot the messenger is the norm.

What the fuck are you talking about? Are you actually trying to say that unquestioning obedience is a defining characteristic of people in "alcoholic families" or people in the US? I'm so fucking glad that you weren't my family therapist when we really needed help.

Willie71 wrote:
Any reasonable person looking at the stats on police on black violence should see a problem glaring them in the face.

Yeah, a big problem but it aint with cops in general, it's a problem with the violent crime rate among young black men and the prevalence of carrying guns by young black men. Around one quarter of people killed by police are black while the black population is around 15%. Sounds like a problem until you look at statistics like this: 62 percent of robberies are committed by young men, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country are committed by young black men. By young black men I mean black men between the ages of 15 and 40.

The killings of young black men by police is a huge problem, but it is not a law enforcement problem. It's a social problem, it's an economic problem, a cultural problem maybe? Police deal with the end product of many social and economic problems that they have had little if any part in causing.

The psychological term I was looking for earlier is "dysfunctional". It's like the people in New York city being asked what their greatest fears are and them responding snakes and lions and tigers. Those are their greatest fears but they are not remotely likely to encounter those animals in the city. Their chances of being run over by a car while crossing the street dwarfs exponentially the probability of being bitten by a snake or eaten by a large predator.

It is dysfunctional for people to think that police are such a predominant threat to the lives of young black people (15 to 40) when the leading cause of death among young black people, overwhelmingly, is other young black people. Where is the same level of outrage within the "black community" and by Al Sharpton or you when a nine year old black girl is killed in a drive by shooting by other blacks?

Peggy Hubbard said it eloquently.

Willie71 wrote:
To blame the victims is racism, as it requires believing blacks are inherently more criminal and violent.

Just how did you come to that conclusion? First off to blame the victim they have to actually be a victim. Someone does not automatically become a victim because they are black. Someone fighting a police officer while going for a gun in his pocket is not a victim. They are perpetrators.

Secondly only uneducated bigoted assholes think that black people are inherently more violent or prone to crime, but it's delusional for educated assholes to think that the over representation of violence and crime in black communities isn't, at least in part, due to cultural influences existing in those communities.

Willie71 wrote:
Back it up one step and see the feedback loop where people are oppressed turning them to desperate circumstances, then blaming them for turning to those circumstances, a pattern seen throughout history.

So, you're giving a pass to the assassin/s of 5 Dallas police officers because "their people" have been oppressed by people other than those police officers?

Willie71 wrote:
OS insults others for not being as smart as him for not seeing the simplest propaganda that falls apart with little extra thinking.

No, I blame people that selectively use their smarts to justify their emotional reactions.

Willie71 wrote:
I'll say it, OS blaming blacks for their systemic plight is racism. That's what racist is.

And I'll say that Willie71 is making excuses for the murderer/s of five police officers in Dallas yesterday. It's the same kind of chickens coming home to roost rhetoric that Ward Churchill used in trying to place blame on the victims of 9/11 instead of the men that flew the planes into the Twin Towers.

Did you not read sentence #3 and #4 in my post?

Willie71 wrote:
I completely condemned the behaviour, while acknowledging what motivates the behaviour.

Willie71 wrote:
Guess what, in forensic psychiatry, we understand why people commit crimes even though we think committing those crimes us wrong.

CdesignProponentsist wrote:

Warren Dew wrote:
Only because the Black Lives Matter movement has never had any legitimacy to begin with. The idea that lives of any one race are more important than lives of other races is repugnant in all its guises.

Their message is black lives 'also' matter.

Washington Times wrote:“‘All lives matter is a new racial slur,” Marissa J. Johnson, co-founder of Black Lives Matter Seattle, said on Bret Baier’s “Voter Revolt” special.

“Black Lives Matter is not a strong enough statement for me,” Ms. Johnson added.

It is in response to the apathetic attitude towards the loss of black lives and black youth.

Acetone wrote:I got called a white cis gender conforming racist male who doesn't know about "our experience".

By a rather wealthy (relative to me at least) black woman in my city. For making the points I've made in this thread on a video a friend of mine posted.

1st that's the first time I've ever been called racist I think.

2nd the fuck? How is it our experiences? This girl has Facebook photos of her travelling the world. Going on huge yaughts... Always smiling in really nice clothes... Spending time in trendy hipster areas of Toronto.

I mean shit. She gets to play equal victim to American black men on the basis of skin colour? That's fucking disgusting.

crank wrote:

felltoearth wrote:Yep. No race problem in America amongst authorities at all:

https://m.mic.com/articles/148139/dalla ... .EcSmvEC9f

"3 Dallas Cops killed, 7 wounded. This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you."

If a normal citizen tweeted this, they'd get a visit from the SS and maybe arrested for threatening POTUS

Acetone wrote:I got called a white cis gender conforming racist male who doesn't know about "our experience".

By a rather wealthy (relative to me at least) black woman in my city. For making the points I've made in this thread on a video a friend of mine posted.

1st that's the first time I've ever been called racist I think.
2nd the fuck? How is it our experiences? This girl has Facebook photos of her travelling the world. Going on huge yaughts... Always smiling in really nice clothes... Spending time in trendy hipster areas of Toronto.

I mean shit. She gets to play equal victim to American black men on the basis of skin colour? That's fucking disgusting.

johnbrandt wrote:I wonder if the "black lives matter" group has actually looked at crime statistics and seen who is the largest group responsible for black shooting deaths...here's a hint: it's not white cops.

johnbrandt wrote:Simple solution to the problem...

From now on, if police are called out to a crime or have to stop a vehicle for breaking some law, first they should ask "Is the suspect black?", and if they are, then the police should refuse to attend. That should save some black lives.

I'm sure the USA would be a crime free paradise within a fortnight....

I wonder if the "black lives matter" group has actually looked at crime statistics and seen who is the largest group responsible for black shooting deaths...here's a hint: it's not white cops.

Weaver wrote:

johnbrandt wrote:Simple solution to the problem...

From now on, if police are called out to a crime or have to stop a vehicle for breaking some law, first they should ask "Is the suspect black?", and if they are, then the police should refuse to attend. That should save some black lives.

I'm sure the USA would be a crime free paradise within a fortnight....

I wonder if the "black lives matter" group has actually looked at crime statistics and seen who is the largest group responsible for black shooting deaths...here's a hint: it's not white cops.

That is a common denialist talking point used by very many racist organizations here in the US.

It in absolutely no fucking way negates the simple fact that blacks are much more likely, as a percentage of the population, to be killed by cops, and that ALL cops, regardless of race, when put to testing via video training or roleplay scenarios, are much more likely to use deadly force against black suspects than white suspects, even when that is the sole variable at play.

Change the fucking subject all you like, parrot racist talking points all you want - the simple fact is that way too many black Americans are being needlessly shot by cops.

Acetone wrote:I got called a white cis gender conforming racist male who doesn't know about "our experience".

By a rather wealthy (relative to me at least) black woman in my city. For making the points I've made in this thread on a video a friend of mine posted.

1st that's the first time I've ever been called racist I think.
2nd the fuck? How is it our experiences? This girl has Facebook photos of her travelling the world. Going on huge yaughts... Always smiling in really nice clothes... Spending time in trendy hipster areas of Toronto.

I mean shit. She gets to play equal victim to American black men on the basis of skin colour? That's fucking disgusting.

Ven. Kwan Tam Woo wrote:

crank wrote:

felltoearth wrote:Yep. No race problem in America amongst authorities at all:

https://m.mic.com/articles/148139/dalla ... .EcSmvEC9f

"3 Dallas Cops killed, 7 wounded. This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you."

If a normal citizen tweeted this, they'd get a visit from the SS and maybe arrested for threatening POTUS

Hmm...I wonder if any of these people can expect such a visit?

Ven. Kwan Tam Woo wrote:

CdesignProponentsist wrote:

Warren Dew wrote:
Only because the Black Lives Matter movement has never had any legitimacy to begin with. The idea that lives of any one race are more important than lives of other races is repugnant in all its guises.

Their message is black lives 'also' matter.

No it's not.

Cucky Presidential candidate apologizes for daring to say that "all lives matter"

Black Lives Matter leader explains why ‘all lives matter’ is a racial slur

Washington Times wrote:“‘All lives matter is a new racial slur,” Marissa J. Johnson, co-founder of Black Lives Matter Seattle, said on Bret Baier’s “Voter Revolt” special.

“Black Lives Matter is not a strong enough statement for me,” Ms. Johnson added.

It is in response to the apathetic attitude towards the loss of black lives and black youth.

Horseshit. If that really were the case then they'd concentrate their energies on rallying against the black gansta "culture" which glorifies black-on-black homicidal behavior and encourages black males to be aggressively antagonistic towards the police. Black Lives Matter has nothing to do with apathetic attitudes towards black people; it is a violent hate group which uses a loud dumb victimhood narrative as a means to grab political power and concessions.

Byron wrote:

Acetone wrote:I got called a white cis gender conforming racist male who doesn't know about "our experience".

By a rather wealthy (relative to me at least) black woman in my city. For making the points I've made in this thread on a video a friend of mine posted.

1st that's the first time I've ever been called racist I think.
2nd the fuck? How is it our experiences? This girl has Facebook photos of her travelling the world. Going on huge yaughts... Always smiling in really nice clothes... Spending time in trendy hipster areas of Toronto.

I mean shit. She gets to play equal victim to American black men on the basis of skin colour? That's fucking disgusting.

I copped an accusation of racism on the Baton Rouge thread: unusual here, but elsewhere, de rigueur for anyone who disputes any aspect of the BLM narrative, to the smallest degree. It has all the effect of accusing me of mansplaining. The word's thrown around so casually and recklessly its impact's been gutted.

If white people are routinely called racists for imagined slights, while being expected to suck up the most disgusting bigotry in return (because "racism" is defined as something that only white people can be guilty of), then congratulations, BLM, you'll create the thing you're railing against.

Oldskeptic wrote:

Willie71 wrote:

Oldskeptic wrote:

Willie71 wrote:
I'll take this on. It's fucking bullshit. When a group oppresses people, they either turn to learned helplessness, or they fight back. I don't agree with shooting anyone, or the second Ammendment. No individual deserves to be executed like this, but it's completely understandable psychologically as to why it happens. It's even predictable.

Very predictable when the "discourse" includes accusations of rampant murder and assassinations by the racist police, that's why I said I've been expecting something like this. Psychologically understandable? Maybe in a text book way, but as someone who's training and job involves diagnosing and determining the mental health needs of communities would you recommend listening to or participating in continual hate speech against another group as part of your therapy? And being that violent reactions are to be expected, even predictable, do you condone figureheads and "community" leaders using inflammatory rhetoric against an entire group of over a million people?

What psychological term might you use for someone calling for calm and peace while at the same time using terms such "racists" and "murderers" to cover millions of people that have nothing to do with isolated incidents of violence.

What psychological term might you use for someone that can't or simply refuses to discriminate between the case of a violent career criminal with a gun he's barred by law from owning being shot while resisting arrest and a generally law abiding genuinely nice guy apparently shot for no good reason?

Is there a psychological term for someone that, no matter what the circumstances, automatically and instantly begins shouting, "Murder," or "Assassination," or "Execution," and "Racism" solely based on the race of the person killed.

If someone were convicted of murder simply because they were black, people like Al Sharpton, Black Lives Matter, and you and Crank would scream your fucking heads off. But that doesn't stop them from automatically and instantly convicting, in the press or on the internet, a police officer that shoots a black man.

Willie71 wrote:
Pointing out problems does not cause the problems.

It does if the problem doesn't really exist or is a small problem with some individuals but is blown up to include a whole, over a million strong, group of people honestly trying to do a difficult job.

Willie71 wrote:
This is the belief of those raised in authoritarian environments where obedience is unquestioning, like in an alcoholic family. Shoot the messenger is the norm.

What the fuck are you talking about? Are you actually trying to say that unquestioning obedience is a defining characteristic of people in "alcoholic families" or people in the US? I'm so fucking glad that you weren't my family therapist when we really needed help.

Willie71 wrote:
Any reasonable person looking at the stats on police on black violence should see a problem glaring them in the face.

Yeah, a big problem but it aint with cops in general, it's a problem with the violent crime rate among young black men and the prevalence of carrying guns by young black men. Around one quarter of people killed by police are black while the black population is around 15%. Sounds like a problem until you look at statistics like this: 62 percent of robberies are committed by young men, 57 percent of murders and 45 percent of assaults in the 75 biggest counties in the country are committed by young black men. By young black men I mean black men between the ages of 15 and 40.

The killings of young black men by police is a huge problem, but it is not a law enforcement problem. It's a social problem, it's an economic problem, a cultural problem maybe? Police deal with the end product of many social and economic problems that they have had little if any part in causing.

The psychological term I was looking for earlier is "dysfunctional". It's like the people in New York city being asked what their greatest fears are and them responding snakes and lions and tigers. Those are their greatest fears but they are not remotely likely to encounter those animals in the city. Their chances of being run over by a car while crossing the street dwarfs exponentially the probability of being bitten by a snake or eaten by a large predator.

It is dysfunctional for people to think that police are such a predominant threat to the lives of young black people (15 to 40) when the leading cause of death among young black people, overwhelmingly, is other young black people. Where is the same level of outrage within the "black community" and by Al Sharpton or you when a nine year old black girl is killed in a drive by shooting by other blacks?

Peggy Hubbard said it eloquently.

Willie71 wrote:
To blame the victims is racism, as it requires believing blacks are inherently more criminal and violent.

Just how did you come to that conclusion? First off to blame the victim they have to actually be a victim. Someone does not automatically become a victim because they are black. Someone fighting a police officer while going for a gun in his pocket is not a victim. They are perpetrators.

Secondly only uneducated bigoted assholes think that black people are inherently more violent or prone to crime, but it's delusional for educated assholes to think that the over representation of violence and crime in black communities isn't, at least in part, due to cultural influences existing in those communities.

Willie71 wrote:
Back it up one step and see the feedback loop where people are oppressed turning them to desperate circumstances, then blaming them for turning to those circumstances, a pattern seen throughout history.

So, you're giving a pass to the assassin/s of 5 Dallas police officers because "their people" have been oppressed by people other than those police officers?

Willie71 wrote:
OS insults others for not being as smart as him for not seeing the simplest propaganda that falls apart with little extra thinking.

No, I blame people that selectively use their smarts to justify their emotional reactions.

Willie71 wrote:
I'll say it, OS blaming blacks for their systemic plight is racism. That's what racist is.

And I'll say that Willie71 is making excuses for the murderer/s of five police officers in Dallas yesterday. It's the same kind of chickens coming home to roost rhetoric that Ward Churchill used in trying to place blame on the victims of 9/11 instead of the men that flew the planes into the Twin Towers.

Did you not read sentence #3 and #4 in my post?

I read your whole post. I responded to your whole post subject by subject, something that you seem incapable of even attempting.

Willie71 wrote:
I completely condemned the behaviour, while acknowledging what motivates the behaviour.

You didn't address incitement to violence at all. Just uttered some lame ass excuse for why it is psychologically understandable that this kind of violence happened.

Willie71 wrote:
Guess what, in forensic psychiatry, we understand why people commit crimes even though we think committing those crimes us wrong.

You're not a forensic psychiatrist so knock of the we shit. I probably understand the subject as well as you do, and if you leave out the constant drone of police in general being depicted as racist murders you don't seem to know what you're talking about at all.