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Re: America's slide into fascism

#141  Postby The_Metatron » Nov 09, 2022 4:55 am

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The_Metatron wrote:Piece of piss: Codify the abolition of qualified immunity into law. This would make police personally accountable for their actions and the actions of their colleagues.

Cowards with badges will be a LOT more careful when it’s their blue lined asses on the hook when it comes time to pay for their behavior instead if the taxpayers’.

These police shootings would end overnight.

Presumably said reform(s) would result in the end of "fiery but mostly peaceful protests"?

You have difficulty with the idea of cause and effect?


Oh OK, well at least you admitted you don't actually care about the rule of law.

Forgive me if I don't care when big national stores conclude "gosh, there are way too many crazed assholes here" and take the insurance money and just leave, forcing their former neighborhoods to suffer with "food deserts!!!"

Superb example of a straw man you’ve built. I admitted nothing to you in that question.

Cause. Effect.

Focus.

Modify the cause, and we can modify the effect, see?
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#142  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 09, 2022 4:57 am

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You can’t seem to focus. You were stuck trying to explain to us how making our women here, in America, into lesser humans is somehow not fascist.

It’s in the topic title.

You are free to toddle off and rail about Poland in another topic.

Explain how we are now less fascist. We’ll wait.




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Re: America's slide into fascism

#143  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 09, 2022 4:58 am

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Oh OK, well at least you admitted you don't actually care about the rule of law.



Or rather, once again you have outright lied about what someone said.

Not only did Metatron not say this, he didn't even say anything like it.

This is exactly the kind of bad faith you have shown in essentially every post here.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#144  Postby The_Metatron » Nov 09, 2022 5:00 am

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The_Metatron wrote:Explain how we in America are farther from fascism now after Roe has been overturned.


Because restriction, even total restriction on abortion, has absolutely nothing to do with "fascism" and the example of other countries is by no means irrelevant in said matter.

Bullshit, it doesn’t.

If a government can make half its population lesser humans at the stroke of a pen, that government is marching towards fascism. Abortion is an excellent bellwether. It is a small step from women not controlling their own bodies to women not controlling their own votes.

You can’t imagine the case when it your pasty white ass that is suddenly a lesser human.

Pretty fucking short sighted, isn’t it?
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#145  Postby Azaghal » Nov 09, 2022 5:20 am

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Oh OK, well at least you admitted you don't actually care about the rule of law.



Or rather, once again you have outright lied about what someone said.

Not only did Metatron not say this, he didn't even say anything like it.


"Cause and effect"

Cause: "mostly peaceful" protesters tear up the city center because some scumbag died from speedballing
Effect: Said city center ends up completely gutted and lifeless after the major players take the insurance money, pick up stakes, and leave

(Food deserts!)
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#146  Postby Azaghal » Nov 09, 2022 5:23 am

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The_Metatron wrote:Explain how we in America are farther from fascism now after Roe has been overturned.


Because restriction, even total restriction on abortion, has absolutely nothing to do with "fascism" and the example of other countries is by no means irrelevant in said matter.

Bullshit, it doesn’t.

If a government can make half its population lesser humans at the stroke of a pen, that government is marching towards fascism.


Does that apply only in AmeriKKKa or am I still not allowed to bring up other countries?

The_Metatron wrote:You can’t imagine the case when it your pasty white ass that is suddenly a lesser human.


The good news here is that I plan on continuing to steer well clear of Sub-Saharan Africa.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#147  Postby Azaghal » Nov 09, 2022 5:51 am

I'm honestly still really baffled here.

a) I'm not exactly sure how to tally the numbers and b) I'd probably hear pseudo-intellectual accusations of "bait and switch" or whatever anyway but it seems that "whiteness" and restrictions on abortion are somehow supposed to be positively correlated, even "fascist" in nature!

Highly debatable, but who wants to go to Congo-Kinshasa with me?

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#148  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 09, 2022 5:51 am

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Oh OK, well at least you admitted you don't actually care about the rule of law.



Or rather, once again you have outright lied about what someone said.

Not only did Metatron not say this, he didn't even say anything like it.


"Cause and effect"

Cause: "mostly peaceful" protesters tear up the city center because some scumbag died from speedballing
Effect: Said city center ends up completely gutted and lifeless after the major players take the insurance money, pick up stakes, and leave

(Food deserts!)



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Re: America's slide into fascism

#149  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 09, 2022 5:52 am

Azaghal wrote:I'm honestly still really baffled here.

a) I'm not exactly sure how to tally the numbers and b) I'd probably hear pseudo-intellectual accusations of "bait and switch" or whatever anyway but it seems that "whiteness" and restrictions on abortion are somehow supposed to be positively correlated, even "fascist" in nature!



Are they?

So once again, make something up, then point at the thing you made up, and what...? Is it supposed to be something someone here said?
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#150  Postby Azaghal » Nov 09, 2022 5:53 am

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Oh OK, well at least you admitted you don't actually care about the rule of law.



Or rather, once again you have outright lied about what someone said.

Not only did Metatron not say this, he didn't even say anything like it.


"Cause and effect"

Cause: "mostly peaceful" protesters tear up the city center because some scumbag died from speedballing
Effect: Said city center ends up completely gutted and lifeless after the major players take the insurance money, pick up stakes, and leave

(Food deserts!)



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Well I guess it's good you're not here and expecting others to hear "the language of the unheard", huh?
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#151  Postby Azaghal » Nov 09, 2022 5:54 am

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Azaghal wrote:I'm honestly still really baffled here.

a) I'm not exactly sure how to tally the numbers and b) I'd probably hear pseudo-intellectual accusations of "bait and switch" or whatever anyway but it seems that "whiteness" and restrictions on abortion are somehow supposed to be positively correlated, even "fascist" in nature!



Are they?

So once again, make something up, then point at the thing you made up, and what...? Is it supposed to be something someone here said?


I'm going to try to steelman (vs. strawman) your position here and ask you when exactly abortion restrictions are evidence of incipient fascism or not
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#152  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 09, 2022 6:02 am

Poor white people are just as much on the negative receiving end of the change in abortion law as black or brown people, it's just that in terms of relative percentages, more black and brown people are low income in the US and thus they are disproportionately affected in the context of ethnic groupings.

This is a criticism that has been present for more than a century, yet there's still ethnic division here where solidarity would help a huge swathe of the populous improve their lot in life. The states with the staunchest abortion laws also have the worst medical health care availability for poorer people - meanwhile the narrative has become increasingly hostile towards low income people over the years while the extraordinarily rich continue to grow wealthier at an ever increasing rate - these are laws working for a particular group, and it's the continuation and extension of such laws, particularly in combination with the drive for voting restrictions and the real threat of election tampering that justifies considering this a march towards a form of totalitarianism. Assuming that totalitarianism takes on an ethnic flavour, which certainly appears to be the case in the motivated alt-right, then it would be right to be wary of the rise of fascism.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#153  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 09, 2022 6:04 am

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Azaghal wrote:I'm honestly still really baffled here.

a) I'm not exactly sure how to tally the numbers and b) I'd probably hear pseudo-intellectual accusations of "bait and switch" or whatever anyway but it seems that "whiteness" and restrictions on abortion are somehow supposed to be positively correlated, even "fascist" in nature!



Are they?

So once again, make something up, then point at the thing you made up, and what...? Is it supposed to be something someone here said?


I'm going to try to steelman (vs. strawman) your position here and ask you when exactly abortion restrictions are evidence of incipient fascism or not


I am going to challenge you to provide any instance of me claiming that 'abortion restrictions are evidence of incipient fascism' prior to my latest post.

The fact is you can't, we all know you can't, because you're routinely dishonest.

You can keep being dishonest, but obviously people will respond to that dishonesty in ways they deem appropriate.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#154  Postby Spearthrower » Nov 09, 2022 6:04 am

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Spearthrower wrote:
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Or rather, once again you have outright lied about what someone said.

Not only did Metatron not say this, he didn't even say anything like it.


"Cause and effect"

Cause: "mostly peaceful" protesters tear up the city center because some scumbag died from speedballing
Effect: Said city center ends up completely gutted and lifeless after the major players take the insurance money, pick up stakes, and leave

(Food deserts!)



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Well I guess it's good you're not here and expecting others to hear "the language of the unheard", huh?


Gibber mcflibble flop?
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#155  Postby Azaghal » Nov 09, 2022 6:13 am

Spearthrower wrote:I am going to challenge you to provide any instance of me claiming that 'abortion restrictions are evidence of incipient fascism' prior to my latest post.


Not you maybe (unsure but let's let it slide) but certainly our local Metatron has spread his wings
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#156  Postby Seabass » Nov 09, 2022 6:15 am

Azaghal wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:Explain how we in America are farther from fascism now after Roe has been overturned.


Because restriction, even total restriction on abortion, has absolutely nothing to do with "fascism" and the example of other countries is by no means irrelevant in said matter.

Fucking brilliant reasoning. Let me try:

Death camps and concentration camps have been perpetrated by non-fascist regimes, ergo death/concentration camps have nothing to do with fascism, ergo Nazi Germany was not fascist!

You're even dumber than I thought you were.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#157  Postby Azaghal » Nov 09, 2022 6:18 am

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"Cause and effect"

Cause: "mostly peaceful" protesters tear up the city center because some scumbag died from speedballing
Effect: Said city center ends up completely gutted and lifeless after the major players take the insurance money, pick up stakes, and leave

(Food deserts!)



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Well I guess it's good you're not here and expecting others to hear "the language of the unheard", huh?


Gibber mcflibble flop?


A serial plagiarist and individual the FBI justifiably had a huge amount of dirt on said as much:

https://www.thegazette.com/guest-column ... e-unheard/

Thesis wouldn't have passed muster by anyone's standards today but, eh, whatever?
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#158  Postby Azaghal » Nov 09, 2022 6:25 am

Seabass wrote:
Azaghal wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:Explain how we in America are farther from fascism now after Roe has been overturned.


Because restriction, even total restriction on abortion, has absolutely nothing to do with "fascism" and the example of other countries is by no means irrelevant in said matter.

Fucking brilliant reasoning. Let me try:

Death camps and concentration camps have been perpetrated by non-fascist regimes, ergo death/concentration camps have nothing to do with fascism, ergo Nazi Germany was not fascist!

You're even dumber than I thought you were.


Well I imagine this ultimately—and, if subjected to symbolic logic, would most likely fall apart—somehow is supposed to tie into your apparent belief that America is sliding into fascism and I'm dim for not noticing that, after all, the gas chambers weren't started up on day one.

I again ask you what it is you are doing to FIGHT Nazi America by becoming a badass revolutionary warrior and, yeah, it's really not dumb and insipid here: post physique.
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Re: America's slide into fascism

#159  Postby Seabass » Nov 09, 2022 6:26 am

Women as second class citizens is a key feature of fascism. In Nazi Germany, the role of the aryan woman was to stay home and produce aryan offspring and raise them to be fine young aryan men to fight for the fatherland.

The fact that some non-fascist regimes also have restrictive abortion laws has no bearing on the fact that we are seeing PATTERNS of behavior and beliefs and principles from the MAGA movement that match up very closely with those of previous fascist regimes.
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#160  Postby Seabass » Nov 09, 2022 6:28 am

Azaghal wrote:
Seabass wrote:
Azaghal wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:Explain how we in America are farther from fascism now after Roe has been overturned.


Because restriction, even total restriction on abortion, has absolutely nothing to do with "fascism" and the example of other countries is by no means irrelevant in said matter.

Fucking brilliant reasoning. Let me try:

Death camps and concentration camps have been perpetrated by non-fascist regimes, ergo death/concentration camps have nothing to do with fascism, ergo Nazi Germany was not fascist!

You're even dumber than I thought you were.


Well I imagine this ultimately—and, if subjected to symbolic logic, would most likely fall apart—somehow is supposed to tie into your apparent belief that America is sliding into fascism and I'm dim for not noticing that, after all, the gas chambers weren't started up on day one.

I again ask you what it is you are doing to FIGHT Nazi America by becoming a badass revolutionary warrior and, yeah, it's really not dumb and insipid here: post physique.

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