Brexit

Fallible · **#2461** by **Fallible** » Jul 09, 2018 2:38 pm

This is what my uni tutors meant by tragicomic.

Scot Dutchy · **#2462** by **Scot Dutchy** » Jul 09, 2018 2:42 pm

ronmcd · **#2463** by **ronmcd** » Jul 09, 2018 2:43 pm

Everyone spare a thought for Terri who will be absolutely run off her feet today.

mrjonno · **#2464** by **mrjonno** » Jul 09, 2018 2:50 pm

It's time to bring in the big guns.

May with Corbyn as deputy prime minister, between them they might be to find 20 ministers to last a week without resigning

Thommo · **#2465** by **Thommo** » Jul 09, 2018 2:51 pm

Johnson has gone too now.

Not sure where we're heading at this point. Election or referendum? :think:

ronmcd · **#2466** by **ronmcd** » Jul 09, 2018 2:54 pm

I see Corbyn is giving a good impression of an opposition leader at the despatch box.

Pity he agrees and will abstain on any actual vote.

Scot Dutchy · **#2467** by **Scot Dutchy** » Jul 09, 2018 2:56 pm

General election. The tories want to pass the challis as fast as possible.

ronmcd · **#2468** by **ronmcd** » Jul 09, 2018 2:56 pm

Thommo wrote:Johnson has gone too now.

Not sure where we're heading at this point. Election or referendum?

If there's another election the tv crews will be scouring the north of England for that exasperated woman from last time ...

ronmcd · **#2469** by **ronmcd** » Jul 09, 2018 2:57 pm

Scot Dutchy wrote:General election. The tories want to pass the challis as fast as possible.

They would still win.

I know. But seriously.

Ironclad · **#2470** by **Ironclad** » Jul 09, 2018 2:58 pm

The wheels are coming off

Scot Dutchy · **#2471** by **Scot Dutchy** » Jul 09, 2018 2:59 pm

Would Corbyn accept it? With the speed he works at B-day will have come gone by the time he wakes up.

Sendraks · **#2472** by **Sendraks** » Jul 09, 2018 3:00 pm

Thommo wrote: Election or referendum?

I think the problem at this point is the lack of time to do a referendum and deliver Brexit to the agreed timetable.

A second referendum on three options (remain, May's proposal and a "no deal") and see what people go for, would be nice but, there's really not the time to work this up and the EU is unlikely to be keen to keep negotiating if everything goes up into the air again.

Have a referendum with clearer options, clearer terms for what sort of turn out is needed (70% or GTFO) and then if the current Government can't live with whatever the people choose, they could always call another GE to see which party (if any) actually wants to deliver the "will of the people."

Thommo · **#2473** by **Thommo** » Jul 09, 2018 3:06 pm

I can't see either of those happening, nobody in their right mind agrees to a referendum question with a three way split like that where you have a binary in/out but with the out vote subdivided - it would have to be two separate questions - "in/out" and "if out then hard/soft" and turnout requirements would be seen as a fudge, and worse, if they aren't met then you're back to being obliged to uphold the original referendum meaning you've gambled, lost time you don't have and are back where you started.

It's hard to see how any deal can be agreed at this point. I can't see the EU accepting May's latest proposal anyway. Davis and Johnson appear to be posturing for leadership challenges to me, rather than being worried about the deal being accepted.

Time to start hiring border guards and a lot of parking space in Kent maybe.

Scot Dutchy · **#2474** by **Scot Dutchy** » Jul 09, 2018 3:07 pm

The new Brexit bus (well what is left of it)

mrjonno · **#2475** by **mrjonno** » Jul 09, 2018 3:10 pm

It would be insane for the EU to even negotiate with the UK on anything until the UK has a stable government (ie either a coalition between big parties or a real majority single party).

May simple doesn't have the authority to uphold any deal

Fallible · **#2476** by **Fallible** » Jul 09, 2018 3:11 pm

ronmcd wrote:
Thommo wrote:Johnson has gone too now.

Not sure where we're heading at this point. Election or referendum?

If there's another election the tv crews will be scouring the north of England for that exasperated woman from last time ...

That accent was Bristolian, fyi.

Scot Dutchy · **#2477** by **Scot Dutchy** » Jul 09, 2018 3:14 pm

He is Scots. 8-)

Sendraks · **#2478** by **Sendraks** » Jul 09, 2018 3:19 pm

Thommo wrote:I can't see either of those happening, nobody in their right mind agrees to a referendum question with a three way split like that where you have a binary in/out but with the out vote subdivided - it would have to be two separate questions - "in/out" and "if out then hard/soft" and turnout requirements would be seen as a fudge, and worse, if they aren't met then you're back to being obliged to uphold the original referendum meaning you've gambled, lost time you don't have and are back where you started.

Very true but, its also pretty clear that people who are "pro-Brexit" want very different things, so the questions can't be a simple "in/out" given that "out" is quite clearly a split demographic.

I don't really care if the turnout is seen as "a fudge" because a) it isn't and b) such a thing should have been in place for the first referendum, given regardless of the vote being "advisory" it wasn't taken as such. The Government can't be handing decisions of this magnitude over to the UK public without also making very clear that a level of turnout is expected to make the decision binding.

Thommo wrote:It's hard to see how any deal can be agreed at this point. I can't see the EU accepting May's latest proposal anyway. Davis and Johnson appear to be posturing for leadership challenges to me, rather than being worried about the deal being accepted.

Agreed.

newolder · **#2479** by **newolder** » Jul 09, 2018 3:41 pm

If queenie throws a sickie on Wednesday and the government has dissolved before Thursday, who's going to put the "Help yourself to milk" post-it on the fridge for Friday's visitor?

Teague · **#2480** by **Teague** » Jul 09, 2018 4:10 pm

What an outright disaster and how obvious it was going to be. Now they're all jumping ship after putting the nation at such a risk - hang them for high treason - let's not forget how Brexit was going to be a new beginning for the UK - how we'd shine and all the fields would glow with gold.

Remember also how "Brexiters" you know, the people who are for a united and strong but independent Britain were also the first to nod their heads at throwing Northern Ireland overboard.

Now the outlook is entirely bleak and these cowards are leaving. They're leaving because after 2 years they suddenly learned what the EU was about and how we are entwined with it and came to the same conclusions, "Yeah, we can't actually leave"

Jacob Rees-Mogg is such a staunch supporter of Brexit that he's moving his business to Ireland so he doesn't get stung with taxes or tariffs but leaving the EU is a great move that we can only propser from.

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