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Re: Brexit

#10781  Postby Thommo » Oct 25, 2022 5:15 am

The_Metatron wrote:Ahh, yes. The politicians who have shorter terms of service than the government house cat. Their hands.


To be fair* that cat has been in office for 11 years, which is longer than the term limits for many democracies!
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Re: Brexit

#10782  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 25, 2022 6:24 am

jamest wrote:Playing devil's advocate, ...



Devil's advocate is when you employ an argument for a position that is contrary to your actual position. This isn't devil's advocacy - this is what you always argue when it comes to Brexit; it's what you actually believe.
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Re: Brexit

#10783  Postby Spearthrower » Oct 25, 2022 6:26 am

jamest wrote:
I'm quite sure that it won't be fine, for any of us, but let's not pretend that Brexit has anything to do with this.


Let's instead pretend that Brexit has had no negative impact on the UK's economy or political standing in the world, or on its citizens' standard of living and political rights.... why? Because some people appear congenitally incapable of addressing factual reality, preferring instead the lulling effect of believing the world conforms to their fancies.
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Re: Brexit

#10784  Postby Cito di Pense » Oct 25, 2022 4:15 pm

Thommo wrote:
To be fair* that cat has been in office for 11 years, which is longer than the term limits for many democracies!


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Re: Brexit

#10786  Postby tuco » Oct 25, 2022 4:18 pm

Rishi Sunak and the death of British sovereignty - https://thecritic.co.uk/rishi-sunak-and ... vereignty/
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#10787  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Oct 25, 2022 4:57 pm

SevenZarkSeven wrote:To answer all three, I wanted to achieve independence from the political rule and interests of Germany, which is what the EU pretty much is in my view.

and here I thought the EU was set up to make Germany pay reparations for, like, ever
without involving anything as geopolitically stupid as a check which has „reparations“ written on it.

edit: and without having them hand over billions to the USSR satellite states.

sorry for the late reply, and I totally overlooked that you had the Unions Jack as a flag.
My post above the one I replied was from the POV of a EU member.
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Re: Brexit

#10788  Postby Tortured_Genius » Nov 14, 2022 4:34 pm

Well that was utterly predictable:

London loses position as most valuable European stock market (BBC)

*Edit: Looks like I was a year late with that one though (they kept that quiet):

Brexit: London loses out as Europe's top share trading hub (BBC)
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Re: Brexit

#10789  Postby THWOTH » Nov 15, 2022 1:31 am

Yeah, but the really important thing to keep in mind is that small boats in the channel are being turned back.

It's all becoming very Children of Men isn't it?
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Re: Brexit

#10790  Postby fisherman » Mar 20, 2023 4:56 pm

European judges could be close to backing down on a court injunction blocking the UK from sending migrants to Rwanda, as the home secretary hails “constructive talks”.

Suella Braverman said she was “encouraged” after “constructive” discussions between the government and the European Court of Human Rights over possible reforms to the court order that grounded deportation flights last year.

A government source said that if implemented, the reforms “would remove a key barrier to getting flights off the ground”.


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rwanda-flights-suella-braverman-deportation-echr-b2304053.html

How do you "have constructive talks" with the ECHR?
To my mind an action is either lawful or it isn't.

I'm probably being cynical, do you think this is a quid pro quo on the Windsor Agreement being approved?

Guess what I'm getting at, this seems more politics than law.
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Re: Brexit

#10791  Postby Spearthrower » May 17, 2023 7:32 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65612295

One of the world's biggest carmakers has called on the government to renegotiate part of the Brexit deal or risk losing parts of its car industry.

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If the government cannot get an agreement to keep the current rules until 2027, from next year "trade between the UK and EU would be subject to 10% tariffs", it said.

This would make domestic production and exports uncompetitive in comparison to Japan and South Korea, it said.


Fancy that! What a completely unforeseen and inherently unpredictable result of leaving a customs' union.

I know, let's just have the Brexit that involves refusing the funny foreigners entry and blocking British citizens from living and working in the EU, but keep all the stuff that's good for British business. It is, after all, a jolly good old British saying: to have one's cake and eat it.
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Re: Brexit

#10792  Postby THWOTH » May 17, 2023 11:24 am

At least we're getting an extra £350m a day for the NHS though....
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Re: Brexit

#10794  Postby Spearthrower » May 20, 2023 12:42 pm

Oven-ready, as soon as we invent the oven.
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Re: Brexit

#10795  Postby Animavore » May 20, 2023 6:42 pm

Nigel Farage says Brexit has failed too.

https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage ... s-12882281
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Re: Brexit

#10796  Postby Agi Hammerthief » May 20, 2023 7:33 pm

Spearthrower wrote:Oven-ready, as soon as we invent the oven.

oven-ready = half baked
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Re: Brexit

#10797  Postby Tortured_Genius » May 20, 2023 8:56 pm

Odd how they point every way other than how leaving the EU was fucking stupid idea in the first place.

I'd also be interested to see how much the likes of Rees-Mogg and Farage personally made out of the farrago. By a curious co-incidence they are both hedge-fund managers and consequently were in a position to profit by it.
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Re: Brexit

#10798  Postby Spearthrower » May 20, 2023 9:29 pm

Millions on Rees-Mogg's part, at the very least. Sociopaths burning down society to add a few zeroes to their bank account.
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Re: Brexit

#10799  Postby THWOTH » May 20, 2023 9:38 pm

Moggy moved his company HQ from London to Dublin before B-day. Farage maintains a second home in France and runs his business from Luxembourg. Neither of them even come close to living up to their own rhetoric. They're totally insulated from the consequences of the thing they repeatedly promised would create perpetual sunny uplands of prosperity for all. When they said 'all' they really meant 'us'.
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