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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#101  Postby aliihsanasl » Mar 24, 2018 9:53 pm

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willhud9 wrote:Well of course suicide by gun decreased. The more relevant statistic is did suicide in general decrease or did the means of which attempts of suicide just get shifted around? Obviously guns are more fatal than other attempts, but not by much. Guns just happen to be impersonal. Having contemplated the several ways to quickly and painlessly kill myself a gun would be better off, but the three times I’ve seriously contemplated ending my life I had no access to a gun, but that made my thoughts detour to hanging (no good fixture to connect a rope to), asphyxiation (which I tried via plastic bag), and walking into traffic (which was the stupidest thing I’ve ever done as I put others at jeopardy). Suicide sucks. Battling those thoughts suck. There are days I would love nothing more than to have those feelings just end. Suicidal people will find ways to attempt suicide. I don’t quite get the focus on suicide via gun aside from the finality of it. But it’s a cold statistic which ignores the plight of suicide itself.

I hate when people use it as a device.

In Japan, hanging from trees is a popular method:

http://mentalfloss.com/article/73288/15 ... ide-forest

Clearly the solution to suicide in Japan is to cut down every tree there.


Suicide by firearms have an attraction for suicidal people, its easy and more guaranteed way. I cant prove it but I believe having easy access to guns provokes suicidal people.
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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#102  Postby The_Piper » Mar 24, 2018 10:02 pm

Warren Dew wrote:
willhud9 wrote:Well of course suicide by gun decreased. The more relevant statistic is did suicide in general decrease or did the means of which attempts of suicide just get shifted around? Obviously guns are more fatal than other attempts, but not by much. Guns just happen to be impersonal. Having contemplated the several ways to quickly and painlessly kill myself a gun would be better off, but the three times I’ve seriously contemplated ending my life I had no access to a gun, but that made my thoughts detour to hanging (no good fixture to connect a rope to), asphyxiation (which I tried via plastic bag), and walking into traffic (which was the stupidest thing I’ve ever done as I put others at jeopardy). Suicide sucks. Battling those thoughts suck. There are days I would love nothing more than to have those feelings just end. Suicidal people will find ways to attempt suicide. I don’t quite get the focus on suicide via gun aside from the finality of it. But it’s a cold statistic which ignores the plight of suicide itself.

I hate when people use it as a device.

In Japan, hanging from trees is a popular method:

http://mentalfloss.com/article/73288/15 ... ide-forest

Clearly the solution to suicide in Japan is to cut down every tree there.

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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#103  Postby OlivierK » Mar 24, 2018 10:08 pm

Warren Dew wrote:
willhud9 wrote:Well of course suicide by gun decreased. The more relevant statistic is did suicide in general decrease or did the means of which attempts of suicide just get shifted around? Obviously guns are more fatal than other attempts, but not by much. Guns just happen to be impersonal. Having contemplated the several ways to quickly and painlessly kill myself a gun would be better off, but the three times I’ve seriously contemplated ending my life I had no access to a gun, but that made my thoughts detour to hanging (no good fixture to connect a rope to), asphyxiation (which I tried via plastic bag), and walking into traffic (which was the stupidest thing I’ve ever done as I put others at jeopardy). Suicide sucks. Battling those thoughts suck. There are days I would love nothing more than to have those feelings just end. Suicidal people will find ways to attempt suicide. I don’t quite get the focus on suicide via gun aside from the finality of it. But it’s a cold statistic which ignores the plight of suicide itself.

I hate when people use it as a device.

In Japan, hanging from trees is a popular method:

http://mentalfloss.com/article/73288/15 ... ide-forest

Clearly the solution to suicide in Japan is to cut down every tree there.

Fatuous, sophistical bollocks, and you know it. Wheeling bullshit like that out today of all days displays all the hallmarks of the smug entitlement that pervade the NRA stance, the sheer inhumanity of which will ultimately lead to change in the US.
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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#104  Postby Animavore » Mar 25, 2018 8:18 am

Here's what the NRA had to say about March for Our Lives.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/24/us/n ... 413PMStory

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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#105  Postby Animavore » Mar 25, 2018 8:21 am

Men in red Trump hat's show up to protests with guns to try intimidate the protesters.

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/03/armed- ... idnt-work/
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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#106  Postby Animavore » Mar 25, 2018 10:34 am

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#107  Postby Animavore » Mar 25, 2018 11:12 am

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#108  Postby Animavore » Mar 25, 2018 11:15 am

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#109  Postby Animavore » Mar 25, 2018 11:17 am

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#110  Postby Animavore » Mar 25, 2018 11:25 am

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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#111  Postby Scot Dutchy » Mar 25, 2018 12:10 pm

Will it change anything? Now will it in all honesty? They are facing an organisation that has its tentacles right through American society. Cut one off and it regrows. You have to get to its head but there's the problem does it have one?
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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#112  Postby The_Piper » Mar 25, 2018 1:11 pm

You have to start somewhere, and this is a huge start. As has been pointed out, these kids will be voting soon. All of a sudden, taking NRA money is not necessarily good for a candidates election chances. I don't think these kids are going to let this fizzle out. :pray:
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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#113  Postby Scot Dutchy » Mar 25, 2018 1:45 pm

The_Piper wrote:You have to start somewhere, and this is a huge start. As has been pointed out, these kids will be voting soon. All of a sudden, taking NRA money is not necessarily good for a candidates election chances. I don't think these kids are going to let this fizzle out. :pray:


NRA has patience and plenty of money which is the main problem and remember the old American saying: Every man has his price.
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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#114  Postby Animavore » Mar 25, 2018 1:47 pm

The March For Our Guns counter protest wasn't quite as impressive.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/25/59677331 ... t=20180325
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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#115  Postby Scot Dutchy » Mar 25, 2018 2:28 pm

Animavore wrote:The March For Our Guns counter protest wasn't quite as impressive.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/25/59677331 ... t=20180325


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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#116  Postby Oldskeptic » Mar 25, 2018 2:39 pm

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The_Metatron wrote:It’s cool that is the cover.

However, it isn’t nearly enough. I am certain that the requisite number of kids have not been gunned down to effect change here.

That's not generally the way these kind of things work though. People were arrested for not giving up their seat before Rosa Parks, but that's the one that inspired people to campaign. This could be similar. Hopefully.


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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#117  Postby laklak » Mar 25, 2018 2:59 pm

Blah blah blah. There will be a few cosmetic changes that won't actually accomplish anything. Nobody is going to confiscate guns, and there are already more than enough to go around.
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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#118  Postby Scot Dutchy » Mar 25, 2018 3:11 pm

Of course that will be all that happens until American society is changed.
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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#119  Postby willhud9 » Mar 25, 2018 5:03 pm

laklak wrote:Blah blah blah. There will be a few cosmetic changes that won't actually accomplish anything. Nobody is going to confiscate guns, and there are already more than enough to go around.


Except it is. Big corporate brands are starting to change their policies in regards to gun sales. YouTube, the most go-to website for quick video tutorials, is taking down content which instructs people how to use a bump stock, or modify a semi-auto into a full auto.

Change is happening. I wrote a letter to my state’s general assembly to consider enacting proactive gun laws. Laws which reenforce the concept of responsible gun ownership by actually legislating it.

The shift is happening. These midterms will be interesting indeed.
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Re: Call for Action to Prevent Gun Violence in the United States

#120  Postby laklak » Mar 25, 2018 5:22 pm

Like I said, cosmetic Band-Aids that change nothing. So an 18 year old can't buy an AR, so what? He'll just steal his Dad's. Besides, who needs an AR? Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people with two handguns. Modifying a semiauto to full auto is WAY beyond the capabilities of 99% of the population, that's a red herring often tossed into the fray that has no basis in fact. It isn't "filing down a few bits of metal", it's machining the upper. How many mass shooters are tool makers who have a machine shop in the garage? (OK I do but it's in my mate's garage, but I'm not a mass shooter). You can legally buy a full auto seer for an AR and install it yourself, IF you have the money and a Class III license.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm all for changing the laws, and if "assault weapons" are outlawed I'll turn mine in (if they pay me for it, otherwise it's cosmoline and a shovel). But anyone who thinks we're going to legislate ourselves out of this mess is deluding themselves.
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