JoeB wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:The coalition prospects are looking good for VVD,CDA,D'66 and CU.

With a 1 seat majority I reckon this to be the second choice, after the VVD, CDA, D66 and Groenlinks formation, depending on the compatibility between VVD and Groenlinks, there is more room for break-away members then. D66 and CU might conflict a lot too, and only 1 person has to break away for a crisis.

But as you said, it's going to be a steady as she goes cabinet, probably putting strong borders around subjects and then dividing them among parties, giving each something they want to deal with.

Entirely agree Joe. There is one but painful coalition possible and that is VVD, CDA, D'66 and PvdA. 80 seats in Tweede Kamer AND 43 from the 75 in the Senaat which is always nice to have but would PvdA have the stomach for it.

Groen Links should be invited though as a major winner but as with SP they may think (falsely IMO) they can achieve more in opposition. As you say this time the demarcation of policies will be much stronger.

Regardless D66 and CDA have the best bargaining position.

mrjonno wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Not the worst election results possible, but still pretty bad imo.
The chance of a centre-right government is high.

Politics has now moved beyond left and right, its now a case of does a country elect a dangerous lunatic or not. It doesn't really matter where they are on a left/right economic scale anymore

That's incredibly sad to me.

felltoearth wrote:

mrjonno wrote:

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Not the worst election results possible, but still pretty bad imo.
The chance of a centre-right government is high.

Politics has now moved beyond left and right, its now a case of does a country elect a dangerous lunatic or not. It doesn't really matter where they are on a left/right economic scale anymore

That's incredibly sad to me.

Sad but still true, a country and the world should breath a sigh of relief every time someone is elected who isn't likely to start WW3 or rounding up people with the wrong skin colour, haircut etc.

France is about to have its elections and its someone vaguely right versus someone vaguely left versus someone who is a complete fascist . In the grander scheme of things as long as its one of the first two life will continue

Scot Dutchy wrote:Lets hope Jesse Klaver and Groen Links can build on their success and not be a one day wonder as SP has turned out to be.

There have been a lot of stories in the news here about the Dutch election and Jesse Klaver was singled out because his message and looks remind people of Trudeau. He has my last name and everyone who has read the piece asks me if we're related :eyeroll:

There is a great interactive coalition chart you can play with and it includes one important fact not so much talked about which coalition would have the better support in the Senaat.
http://www.volkskrant.nl/politiek/internationale-media-over-verkiezingsuitslag-klap-voor-populisme-rutte-is-de-held~a4475099/
The coalition taking that to mind is VVD, CDA, D'66 and PvdA. A good workable majority in both Tweede Kamer and Senaat; 80 from 150 and 43 from 75.

Neat.

Since Senaat is(?) another element in division of powers, a safety mechanism, perhaps it should not apriori support decisions made in Tweede Kamer. Tho political parties forming government/coalition do not probably see it this way.

I have:

80 zetels: VVD – PvdA – D66 – GL – PvdD
(Eerste Kamer: 37 van de 75 zetels)

Party for the Animals!, mixed green spice and no Christian bs.

Scot Dutchy wrote:

JoeB wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:The coalition prospects are looking good for VVD,CDA,D'66 and CU.

With a 1 seat majority I reckon this to be the second choice, after the VVD, CDA, D66 and Groenlinks formation, depending on the compatibility between VVD and Groenlinks, there is more room for break-away members then. D66 and CU might conflict a lot too, and only 1 person has to break away for a crisis.

But as you said, it's going to be a steady as she goes cabinet, probably putting strong borders around subjects and then dividing them among parties, giving each something they want to deal with.

Entirely agree Joe. There is one but painful coalition possible and that is VVD, CDA, D'66 and PvdA. 80 seats in Tweede Kamer AND 43 from the 75 in the Senaat which is always nice to have but would PvdA have the stomach for it.

Groen Links should be invited though as a major winner but as with SP they may think (falsely IMO) they can achieve more in opposition. As you say this time the demarcation of policies will be much stronger.

Good grief! So many combinations...Its going to be like untangling the lights for the tree at Xmass!

tuco wrote:Neat.

Since Senaat is(?) another element in division of powers, a safety mechanism, perhaps it should not apriori support decisions made in Tweede Kamer. Tho political parties forming government/coalition do not probably see it this way.

It shouldn't. Legally, political parties don't even exist.
The job of the Senaat is to check whether laws and other decisions from the 2e Kamer are legally sound. Not to vote politically on those decisions.

So, the fascist has been beaten into second place...That's not good. I was hoping for a bigger beating.

james1v wrote:So, the fascist has been beaten into second place...That's not good. I was hoping for a bigger beating.

On the positive side, I don't think they'll be able to get much bigger than the projected results. Now or in the future.

Wilders is dead. His fate will be like Leefbaar Nederland which was a weak dilution of the LPF. (een zwakke aftreksel)

Congratulations on not electing a bigot.

CdesignProponentsist wrote:Congratulations on not electing a bigot.

Is this what the World is coming to now that we're giving people props for not fucking up?

Worried world.

Animavore wrote:

CdesignProponentsist wrote:Congratulations on not electing a bigot.

Is this what the World is coming to now that we're giving people props for not fucking up?

Unfortunately so. I'm hoping this is just a phase.

It is just a phase. The only problem with hairless monkeys, maybe my faith in them is not so irrational after all, is that they usually act after fuck up, unlike acting before to prevent fuck ups. The Dutch election had 77.7%(?) turnout, probably because many realized, in the light of Trump and Brexit, it mattered.

Turnout was 82%.

Another example of the difference between US and European understanding of politics.
The VVD is not a centrist party.

I think it a POV thing. The VVD would be I suppose to many Americans right of the Democrats but not by far.
The hair thing was quite funny. One thing obvious was the winner and loser thing. There are not two sides here so who has won and lost is reduced to who has down well and bad. VVD lost 8 seats and Wilders won 5 but that says nothing without the context it occurred in. VVD survived much the meltdown of the government compared to the PvdA. Wilders failed completely the expected gains that he would make (40+ seats).