I doubt most of them will be expelled. Maybe the charming young man most of the video centered on will be, and that would be fine with me. He honestly might benefit from some intervention. We know what that school is made of now.

MAGA = Make America Gormless Again...

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:The defense I'm hearing for those little pieces of shit is disheartening. Goodness knows that behaviour would never be tolerated towards a conservative protestor.

Can you imagine the reaction if it were a group of black teens surrounding, mocking and getting in the face of a MAGA hat wearing white guy.

With the current ultra-divisive state of US politics, I'm sure there are hundreds of MAGA assholes who'd be happy to line up a future job opportunity for Smuggy McSmugface.

It would be fantastic if there were social consequences for antisocial behaviour, but that's not the reality on the ground in the US, where such behaviour isn't even a bar to being elected President.

CdesignProponentsist wrote:

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:The defense I'm hearing for those little pieces of shit is disheartening. Goodness knows that behaviour would never be tolerated towards a conservative protestor.

Can you imagine the reaction if it were a group of black teens surrounding, mocking and getting in the face of a MAGA hat wearing white guy.

white guy pulls out gun and stands his ground?

it is a good reminder of what happens when you are too welcoming to (illegal) immigrants.
you help them through a harsh winter, start some fur trading and next you know you are a minority on your own fucking continent and get insulted by the fuckers.

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willhud9 wrote:

theropod wrote:

willhud9 wrote:

I suppose. But expulsion ruins many kids future. Period.

Y’all in your celebratory vengeance seem to not be counting their future.

Teenagers are impulsive dicks. Instead of treating them like mature, reasonable adults maybe we should be treating them as immature, unreasonable kids.

Really? So just how fucking far are they allowed to go when they act on their Nazi training before consequences kick in? Ever?

Not while making America great, right Will?

RS

They are still kids. Treat them like kids. Christ it isn’t hard.

If you are supportive of rehabilitative punishment this isn’t a difficult concept to grasp.

And what kind of rehabilitative punishment a hate-preaching christian school could offer in your opinion ?

None, but the members here are saying “good” to the idea of the kids getting expelled not because of their school, but because they found their actions disgusting.

And that’s fair, the kids behavior were awful. The blame shouldn’t be on the kids. The punishment shouldn’t be on the kids. The indoctrinating teachers and parents need to be held accountable.

willhud9 wrote:
None, but the members here are saying “good” to the idea of the kids getting expelled not because of their school, but because they found their actions disgusting.

And that’s fair, the kids behavior were awful. The blame shouldn’t be on the kids. The punishment shouldn’t be on the kids. The indoctrinating teachers and parents need to be held accountable.

None? What if they had been taught to be respectful of other peoples and cultures? There should be a consequence or two for them. Perhaps write an essay or two on the reasons to be respectful to other peoples. And present them (give presentations) to various schools including those on reservations. But I agree expelling them is over the top.

I am presuming first offences of being stupid Christians publicly here.

No. Punishment is rarely ever an effective behavior correcting tool. Anytime I hear people say, “they need to learn a lesson” I roll my eyes at the draconian philosophy.

Positive reinforcement is the best behavior changing educational tool to assisting kids and teens learn correct behavior.

You can't positively reinforce negative behaviour (positive reinforcement is a psychological term that refers to offering a reward before, during or after a desireable action occurs) if you want it to stop.

I actually share a lot of your concerns about exclusion, but my suspicion would be that many kids in the US (maybe of the order of tens of thousands a year) are permanently excluded from school each year, and that such exclusions are frequently for much less serious incidents.

I don't know whether this young man should be excluded*, because I don't know his disciplinary record, or the school's policies, which he and his parents should have been informed of.

One of the key things to remember about exclusions (and it is a tremendously complex and challenging area, with a huge range of opposingly pulling forces at play) is that they don't just affect that child. They also affect the other children who are educated at that facility. And the staff.

I would need more information, particularly contextual, to advocate for or against exclusion. Personally.

*Although, I've watched the video another time after making this post and he does remarkably little. Essentially he stands too close to the guy and gives off a threatening air.

Turns out, it was the Native Merkins that approached the students. The students were just waiting for a bus or something. They also had to endure about half an hour of Black Hebrew Israelites (yes, that's a thing) shouting abuse at them, like "dusty-ass crackers" and "future school shooters".
Oh well, serves them right for wearing MAGA gear in public, I guess...

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-incident-indigenous-peoples-march-longer-video/2630930002/

Inopportune moment for posting for me perhaps. Maybe I should eat my words.

Maybe it's not ambiguous then, and he shouldn't be excluded - Will, my apologies.

willhud9 wrote:No. Punishment is rarely ever an effective behavior correcting tool. Anytime I hear people say, “they need to learn a lesson” I roll my eyes at the draconian philosophy.

Positive reinforcement is the best behavior changing educational tool to assisting kids and teens learn correct behavior.

To positively reinforce a behaviour ... the child would have to exhibit that behaviour.

Extinction won't work in this case.

I'm eating my words. From this angle, it doesn't look like the "charming young man" as I called him, even did anything wrong.

Maybe so, but those little fuckers were still taking part in a march opposing women's reproductive freedom. Young white males.

Alan C wrote:Maybe so, but those little fuckers were still taking part in a march opposing women's reproductive freedom. Young white males.

My first comment on this was sarcastically complimenting the parent and teachers. If they really were there for that, and maybe just because of the maga hats alone, that's probably still justifiable.

Alan C wrote:Maybe so, but those little fuckers were still taking part in a march opposing women's reproductive freedom. Young white males.

This is really disingenuous as thousands of women were also there. Are their voices also not relevant?

Can men not speak in support or against abortion?

I have stood by this more times than not on this forum but if more people actually tried to understand what the pro-life argument actually believes they’d realize that it’s not a simple gotcha debate.

willhud9 wrote:

Alan C wrote:Maybe so, but those little fuckers were still taking part in a march opposing women's reproductive freedom. Young white males.

This is really disingenuous as thousands of women were also there. Are their voices also not relevant?

Can men not speak in support or against abortion?

I have stood by this more times than not on this forum but if more people actually tried to understand what the pro-life argument actually believes they’d realize that it’s not a simple gotcha debate.

There's not much to understand, Will. It's all built on religious horse shit.

Seabass wrote:

willhud9 wrote:

Alan C wrote:Maybe so, but those little fuckers were still taking part in a march opposing women's reproductive freedom. Young white males.

This is really disingenuous as thousands of women were also there. Are their voices also not relevant?

Can men not speak in support or against abortion?

I have stood by this more times than not on this forum but if more people actually tried to understand what the pro-life argument actually believes they’d realize that it’s not a simple gotcha debate.

There's not much to understand, Will. It's all built on religious horse shit.

Religious horseshit that defines millions worldview. Hardly dismissable.

Even if it wasn’t religious based it’s still ethics based. If you had the sincere belief that life started at conception you’d hold that any willful termination of such life would be akin to murder.

The problem with the pro-choice debate is there is no hard “life doesn’t start at conception” evidence. Why? Because the term life is meaningless and arbitrary. It varies between people, culture, etc.

So pro-choice people erect their own standard: personhood. When does someone become a person. Except the pro-life side doesn’t accept those parameters. It’s not a debate that’s magically going to be won.

Fuck I wish there was an ignore function on this forum.

RS

Oh no, someone posts a viewpoint you disagree with. How terrifying.

Maybe you could actually critically think, have empathy, and try to understand why certain people act and believe certain things instead of hiding in echo chambers of your own opinions.

That’s what the alt-right does. Might work for you too.