chairman bill wrote:

Strontium Dog wrote:I can imagine that facts and truth are quite offensive to those who trade in appeals to emotion and falsehood. I've not seen the particular episode of QT, but Farron has gone up a notch in my estimation for whatever he said.

So Farron has gone up in your estimation, based on you not having a fucking clue what he said. That about sums up your approach to politics: my party, right or wrong, and fuck the truth. Pathetic.

No, my approach is: he's fucked off the Scottish secessionists, he must be doing something right.

Really rational and really grown up SD. What do you do for an encore?

If only the lib dems were that fucking gobby with their pals in government we might not be in the mess we're in and I might still have some respect for them.

Well, this is SNP Watch, not Lib Dem Watch, so feel free to raise your point there, where my rebuttal will be appropriate and on-topic.

You mean, unlike your immature drivel above?

What value you place on my commentary does not especially bother me, however it is actually on-topic.

Tim Farron:

“My problem with the SNP is that they are isolationist; saying that the problems this country faces are somehow the fault of us, or some other part of the country that isn’t Scotland. That isn’t right: it is isolationist, backward-looking and nationalist.”

There isn't one part of that that's true, apart from the use of the term "nationalist", but of course he wasn't using the term to mean civic nationalism.

Diane Abbott pointed out those who voted yes weren't even nationalists in many cases, and his comments were insulting.

'tim farron' is an anagram of 'minor fart'. How did his parents know they were having a yellow tory bootlicker?

ronmcd wrote:Diane Abbott pointed out those who voted yes weren't even nationalists in many cases

They were voting to establish a separate Scottish nation. Every single one of them was, by absolute definition, a nationalist.

As to what Farron said, he is, of course, 100% accurate.

Strontium Dog wrote:

ronmcd wrote:Diane Abbott pointed out those who voted yes weren't even nationalists in many cases

They were voting to establish a separate Scottish nation. Every single one of them was, by absolute definition, a nationalist.

As to what Farron said, he is, of course, 100% accurate.

Thing is, even if you believe that, it's not what the Scottish people think. That was the point Diane abbott made - Tim Farron, for (I would say nationalist) headlines in England, smeared the voters by association in Scotland as being anti English, isolationist (bizarrely, when SNP and yes supporters were THE most pro EU group arguably in UK).

The voters of Scotland, not just SNP voters, do NOT think Tim Farron and your (and the UK media) opinion of SNP is correct. Because people are moving in droves from YOUR party and Labour to SNP.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2015/02/sc ... tleground/

the Lib Dems have collapsed: only 12% of the party’s 2010 supporters said they would vote Lib Dem again

Ashcroft has polled primarily LAbour seats, and Danny Alexander's ( ) and the results are interesting. And each of these polls was 1000 people.

So, to be clear, Danny Alexander's seat?

SNP 50% (+31)
Liberal Democrats 21% (-20)
Labour 14% (-8)
Conservatives 11% (-2)

I may have to adjust my 20-30 SNP seat prediction. Waaaaaaaaaay upwards.

Poor Strontium Dog. You realise not only are your (so-called but no longer) "Liberal Democrats" going to be out of government, your party is going to be unelectable for decades. Why would anybody vote for them? No longer remotely liberal, no longer left of centre even remotely, no longer trusted by the young, and now future leader Tim Farron is revealed as a disgrace on a recent Question Time.

Still, could be worse, you could be ... um ... nope, I've got nothing worse.

ronmcd wrote:So, to be clear, Danny Alexander's seat?

SNP 50% (+31)
Liberal Democrats 21% (-20)
Labour 14% (-8)
Conservatives 11% (-2)

looks like the tory weasel is toast.

I suppose he could still stand for the blue tories, picking up their 11% and not losing any of the 21% who have long demonstrated that they are only too happy to vote tory anyway but even that might not save him. He'd better start polishing his CV instead of gideon osborne's bellend (or is danny alexander gideon osborne's bellend? Who know the inner workings of the tory party).

There is some ashcroft polling in the graun which points to easily 20-30 SNP seats (he polled the strongest 'yes' voters but that doesn't give a national swing). It looks entirely likely that the SNP will have more MPs than the yellow tories at the moment. Good, and good riddance.

ED209 wrote:

ronmcd wrote:So, to be clear, Danny Alexander's seat?

SNP 50% (+31)
Liberal Democrats 21% (-20)
Labour 14% (-8)
Conservatives 11% (-2)

looks like the tory weasel is toast.

I suppose he could still stand for the blue tories, picking up their 11% and not losing any of the 21% who have long demonstrated that they are only too happy to vote tory anyway but even that might not save him. He'd better start polishing his CV instead of gideon osborne's bellend (or is danny alexander gideon osborne's bellend? Who know the inner workings of the tory party).

There is some ashcroft polling in the graun which points to easily 20-30 SNP seats (he polled the strongest 'yes' voters but that doesn't give a national swing). It looks entirely likely that the SNP will have more MPs than the yellow tories at the moment. Good, and good riddance.

The libdem candidate for the Gordon seat is Christine Jardine, who hopes to take over from Malcolm Bruce and beat Alex Salmond to the seat. A libdem activist amusingly posted this morning on twitter:

If leaked Ashcroft polls are right, it's game on for @Cajardine in Gordon! #wecandothis

Yes, yes, 43% to 26%

#wecandothis what utter tools.

And speaking of pathetic delusion, most people probably barely skimmed the silly and trollish opening post but it quotes a yellow tory called mark pack who wrote a book called (IIRC) '101 ways to win an election'.

That's right - a yellow tory purporting to write an actual book on winning elections

Which shows the world exactly where to file his musings on the SNP or whatever it was (I only skimmed it too).

Scot Dutchy wrote:What we do without the LibDems?

We'll find out soon enough.

ronmcd wrote:

chairman bill wrote:Murphy will prove an absolute disaster for Labour. I'm not sure they'll get wiped out as some speculate, but hopefully enough of a kicking to leave Murphy out in the cold.

Enough Labour voters will jump at any chance to revert to what they know, so I wouldn't expect SNP to get the 40 odd seats the polls suggest, it will be 20-30 probably.

More likely to be 50 than 30.

I did one of those "tell us where you stand on issues and we'll tell you who you should vote for" quizzes for the UK, and they reckoned my views aligned best with the SNP, and then the Greens (who I vote for here). As a bonus (to an Australian) they have telling the English to fuck off as one of their policies

They also have @AngrySalmond.

Good enough for me

I don't think the leadership of the SNP or UKIP are necessary racist or bigoted but its blatantly obvious they attract a lot of people who are.

The sink estate Glasgow SNP voters are the same economic class/group as the UKIP voters on the run down Eastern English coast

The intelligent which includes most people on these forum even SD think in terms of left/right/society/individualism while many of the people who vote for either party just think foreigners are responsible for all ills in the world

@AngrySalmond is hilarious! #sexysocialism.

Talking of Twitter, again, did anyone see #CreepyJim make an absolute twat of himself over his #myfuturescotland idea? It was supposed to be a hashtag where young people told SLab what they wanted for the future but resulted in some of the most hilarious piss taking I've seen in a long time.

Without even checking the results Jim then congratulates himself for such a great response to the hashtag which was trending really quickly, which only caused even more hilarity! "It's trending Jim, but not as we know it" was my favourite.

OlivierK wrote:As a bonus (to an Australian) they have telling the English to fuck off as one of their policies

That's actually pretty hurtful.

mrjonno wrote:I don't think the leadership of the SNP or UKIP are necessary racist or bigoted but its blatantly obvious they attract a lot of people who are.

The sink estate Glasgow SNP voters are the same economic class/group as the UKIP voters on the run down Eastern English coast

The intelligent which includes most people on these forum even SD think in terms of left/right/society/individualism while many of the people who vote for either party just think foreigners are responsible for all ills in the world

I really don't think you have a clue what you're talking about mrjonno. You cannot even begin to compare an SNP voter with a UKIP voter. The SNP in Scotland is seen as far more egalitarian than any of the other parties. While the other parties bow down to the Little England immigration fears whipped up by the Daily Fail, the SNP were talking about welcoming immigrants to help build our economy and pay our future pensions.