The Clinton Victory Thread

[Willie71]

Willie71 wrote:

Well, Sanders didn't really win it,

But curiously, the Brits and Canadians don't find that important.
Tom

What on earth are you talking about?

[OlivierK]

The Clinton's have been leaders of the party. They have been traveling the country helping Dems campaign for office and raise money for literally decades. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you are trying become President of the United States, it certainly helps if you have a Democratic legislature to work with. Thus it only makes sense that not only would you be helping yourself, you are trying to help your party. You think its a conspiracy where as I see it as common sense.

I've pointed out those fundraisers numerous times here. Bernie talks about a revolution, but he isn't helping the party win the down the ballot races needed to have one. Hillary is. Because she realizes that simply winning the Presidency isn't enough, but you need to win the races down the ballot as well.

What's better to do: call on people to be aware of bought politicians, and convince people to vote for candidates that aren't bought,

or,

be a bought politician who buys downticket races to make sure they can deliver the goods they've been bought to deliver.

Tough call.

A+ on the false dichotomy. Keep up the quality posts

There's no dichotomy at all: there are literally hundreds of ways you can approach a candidacy. I'm just comparing the two candidates we're talking about.

It's like if I wrote: "What's the better used car, a 2015 Mercedes S Class, or a 1985 Honda Accord. Tough call." Would you interpret that as me thinking that those are the only two choices, or expressing an opinion that I find it pretty obvious which is the better of the two choices at hand.

So in case it wasn't already clear, rather than presenting a dichotomy of any kind, false or otherwise, I was merely expressing the opinion that I find Sanders' approach far superior to Clinton's, because no matter how effective Clinton's may be in allowing her to deal with a co-operative congress, it comes at the cost of governing for her donors' interests rather than those of the nation. Frankly, if she's going to act in her donors' interests, I'd prefer that she was as ineffectual as possible.

[Byron]

There's no middle ground here: a politician's either independent; or they're bought. Clinton's corporate property. Now, a bought politician can still get some good laws through, but they won't confront their paymasters' vested interests. If you agree with those interests, fair enough; if you don't, look elsewhere.

[Teague]

Willie71 wrote:

Well, Sanders didn't really win it,

But curiously, the Brits and Canadians don't find that important.
Tom

Not important enough to comment on. What did you want to talk about specifically that's on your mind?

[Teague]

LOL

Yeah, the WP isn't well known for not putting out utter bullshit at all, are they.

[Teague]

If FBI Director James Comey feels no deadline pressure to wrap up the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s e-mail server, he should.

“The urgency is to do it well and promptly. And ‘well’ comes first,” Comey told local law enforcement agents in Buffalo on Monday, according to the Niagara Gazette.

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“Yes, there surely is a professional, ethical, and moral obligation of the Feds to finish the investigation ASAP rather than leave a cloud hanging over the electoral process,” said noted criminal defense lawyer Harvey Silverglate. What’s also troubling, said Silverglate, is that “we don’t even know who is ignoring his/her ethical obligations, since we have not been informed, to my knowledge at least, who is in charge of the investigation.” Is it Attorney General Loretta Lynch, he asks, or — given the highly charged political nature of the investigation — a designee?

Democrats have a special interest in reaching closure before picking their nominee. Even the most loyal Clinton supporters wonder if an indictment is more than right-wing wishful thinking.

But an investigation that drags on past the convention, into the fall, is more than a partisan concern. It’s unfair to the country as a whole.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/04/06/why-fbi-slow-clinton-mail-probe/lJmHwLuAfbxSXrrvR0XqwJ/story.html

If it asks you to sign in, just enter any email address and "sign up" and u can read it, the email address doesn't need to be valid.

OK so shouldn't they speed this up? What's going to happen in the general if she's indicted and Trump's running against her? Could you hand him the keys to the White House any quicker? What's the consequences for delaying the inevitable which looks as though yes, she did have classified emails on her private, unsecured server which is a crime I believe.

[Teague]

In addition, regardless of Clinton’s excuses, the only believable reason for the private server in her basement was to keep her emails out of the public eye by willfully avoiding freedom of information laws. No president, no secretary of state, no public official at any level is above the law. She chose to ignore it, and must face the consequences…

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/05/this_is_how_the_fbi_destroys_hillary_the_10_questions_that_could_end_her_white_house_dreams/

[Teague]

'Party Unity, My Ass' - what the Pumas really stand for

Diehard Hillary Clinton supporters who still refuse to accept that the nomination race is over have given themselves a name, Pumas, and a logo that the in-house lawyers at the Puma sportswear brand might like to take a look at. In the network of blogs where the name originated, it stood for "Party Unity, My Ass!" - a defiant shout of opposition to the notion that they should fall silent in order to speed the healing of Democratic wounds. Now that the Pumas have formed their own fundraising committee, however, they seem to have had a change of heart. According to their site, Pumapac.org, Puma stands for "People United Means Action", an exactly opposite sentiment, prompting the thought that if they don't iron out such inconsistencies in their message very soon indeed, there's a serious chance that Clinton might not be the next president.

· Barack Obama is spending the weekend in Chicago with no public engagements, but that doesn't mean he won't be busy. True, last night he was planning a relaxing date with his wife (and that secret service guy who's always hanging around in the background) followed by a bike ride today with his family (and that secret service guy who's always hanging around in the background). But tonight the Obamas will play host to eight seven-year-olds, arriving for a sleepover to celebrate their daughter Sasha's birthday. "These kids are planning to make pizza, so who knows what our kitchen will look like," Obama told USA Today. "They shouldn't call them sleepovers. They should call them wakeovers." Obama's weekend plans go some way to underline the fact that he is a regular guy, not a calculating politician, which was presumably exactly the effect intended by chief strategist David Axelrod when he came up with the whole sleepover idea.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/jun/07/hillaryclinton.barackobama

Oh look......

[Teague]

During a recent speech, Bill Clinton was interrupted by Black Lives Matter. Instead of giving them the floor to voice their concerns like Bernie Sanders did, he attempted to educate them on the merits of the crime bill he passed in the 90’s. You know, the bill that caused millions more African Americans to be imprisoned with much longer sentences... The one Hillary Clinton championed and marketed with the term “super-predators.” Cenk Uygur, host of The Young Turks, breaks it down. Tell us what you think in the comment section below.

"Former President Bill Clinton sounded like a cranky Fox news viewer on the campaign trail today while stumping for Hillary Clinton in Philadelphia today.

His speech was repeatedly interrupted by Black Lives Matter protesters, specifically with regard to his crime bill and the consequences of it today.

When pushed on it, Clinton lashed back, citing the discussions at the time that were emanating from the black community about crime in their communities.

“I talked to a bunch of African-American groups [in 1994], they think black lives matter. [The groups said] to take this bill because people are being shot in the street by gangs. We had 13-year-old kids planning their own funerals,” Bill Clinton said at the Philadelphia rally.

“Whose lives were saved that mattered?”

He went on to highlight other provisions of the crime bill — the assault weapons ban, money for after-school programs for inner-city children and funding for additional police officers that Clinton said reduced the need for police to bring in "militarized" equipment — as well as Clinton’s work with disadvantaged children and on cataloging discrimination in an Alabama school.

So far, so good, but then it went off the rails, when the protesters accused him of crimes against humanity, sparking an angry response.

“I don’t know how you would characterize the gang leaders who got 13-year-old kids hopped up on crack and sent them out on the street to murder other African-American children,” Clinton growled. “Maybe you thought they were good citizens… You are defending the people who kill the people whose lives you say matter!””*

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/04/bill-clinton-has-verbal-scuffle-black

[Teague]

Oh so Jeff Forbes a former NRA lobbyist was at a fund raiser the other day for Clinton who lobbied DIRECTLY AFTER SANDY HOOK.

What a hypocritical bitch!

Hillary Clinton Using Sandy Hook Victims as Political Props Just Backfired Completely

After a crushing defeat in Wisconsin, Hillary Clinton’s new campaign strategy is to viciously attack Bernie Sanders. But that isn’t working out so well.

Clinton’s campaign has been attacking the gun issue since last night, casting Bernie Sanders as a friend of gun manufacturers and Hillary Clinton as a staunch advocate of gun control. But that line of attack completely backfired after her campaign team tweeted a political attack at Sanders, using the children killed in Sandy Hook as a political football:

After a crushing defeat in Wisconsin, Hillary Clinton’s new campaign strategy is to viciously attack Bernie Sanders. But that isn’t working out so well.

Clinton’s campaign has been attacking the gun issue since last night, casting Bernie Sanders as a friend of gun manufacturers and Hillary Clinton as a staunch advocate of gun control. But that line of attack completely backfired after her campaign team tweeted a political attack at Sanders, using the children killed in Sandy Hook as a political football:

Immediately, the comment thread for that tweet was full of angry Sanders supporters, but even Clinton supporters were disgusted, calling out the former Secretary of State for her insensitivity toward Sandy Hook victims. One Sanders supporter who had apparently been trying to convince her parents to switch their support from Clinton to the Vermont senator said the Sandy Hook tweet was what put them over the edge:

http://usuncut.com/politics/clintons-sandy-hook-attack-backfires/

[Byron]

The whole thing's major league '08 déjà vu. Hillary's Harpies, they of the "Berniebros" attack, also pulled the exact same smear on Obama: spare us from those dastardly Obama boys!

To be fair, Clinton's yet to suggest that Sanders may get offed before the Convention, and her groupies haven't questioned Sanders' citizenship (yup, Camp Clinton's birther ground zero).

Still, could be worse: could be on Clinton's security detail.

[Teague]

The whole thing's major league '08 déjà vu. Hillary's Harpies, they of the "Berniebros" attack, also pulled the exact same smear on Obama: spare us from those dastardly Obama boys!

To be fair, Clinton's yet to suggest that Sanders may get offed before the Convention, and her groupies haven't questioned Sanders' citizenship (yup, Camp Clinton's birther ground zero).

Still, could be worse: could be on Clinton's security detail.

I added more to my post above.

This women is fucking hideous. There is nothing redeeming about her she'll say anything, smear anyone, lie, cheat, anything at all to get the power and money she craves and she's the person people want in the white house over someone who's got more brains than her, predicted more shortcomings from things like the Panama deal that Clinton pushed through and the Iraq War which is still a clusterfuck today, just like Sanders suggested and she's better at foreign policy.

Yes she is, if you're one of the corporate war machines then yes, vote for her, vote for more wars and more Americans being sent off to die for her greed.

I seriously hope NY'ers are waking the fuck up to this evil.

[Teague]

This is her tweet...

Hillary Clinton
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‎@HillaryClinton

.@BernieSanders prioritized gun manufacturers' rights over the parents of the children killed at Sandy Hook.https://amp.twimg.com/v/e0ac5125-2e64-4 ... 4cb13d219b …

it's going viral I think and not in her favour.

[Teague]

Carlton Ward · Photographer at Carltonward.zenfolio.com
She is responsible for a huge rise in arms sales as Secretary of State after she was appointed. She cant honestly believe this fact wont come back to bite her in the ___.

Laura Bretton
A huge rise in arms sales.... And what a coincidence, both defense manufacturers AND those countries donated to the Clinton Foundation. Huh.

[Willie71]

This is turning into more than just a campaign. Mainstream media is battling new media for relevance. If Clinton wins, she will allow net neutrality to disappear, in an attempt to neuter new media. It's the only way traditional media doesn't die out. "Let the market decide" isn't good enough for right wingers like Clinton.

[Byron]

[...] This women is fucking hideous. [...]

By comparison, Maleficent's a nuanced character.

Screaming abuse at the help, telling soldiers not to wear their uniforms, greeting "Good morning" with "Fuck off!" She's the worst talk radio parody of a ball bustin' straw feminist, 'cept somehow, she's for real. A common feminist complaint is that it's always the wrong woman. Well, this time around, it so is.

[Teague]

The more that comes out, the more hideous she becomes and what's with all the swearing. Fuck me, no wonder Bill looks so pussy-whipped lately.

[Byron]

To the Energizer, Slick Willy!

Damn, just imagine what Trump's gonna do with all this if he manages to keep on track and see off Cruz. It'll be scorched earth.

[Teague]

To the Energizer, Slick Willy!

Damn, just imagine what Trump's gonna do with all this if he manages to keep on track and see off Cruz. It'll be scorched earth.

Trump's going to win NY and it's winner takes all, 95 delegates that puts him up to 835 to Cruz's 500. There's not many states left - is anyone reporting how Cruz should drop out like they are Sanders?

[proudfootz]

To the Energizer, Slick Willy!

Damn, just imagine what Trump's gonna do with all this if he manages to keep on track and see off Cruz. It'll be scorched earth.

Trump's going to win NY and it's winner takes all, 95 delegates that puts him up to 835 to Cruz's 500. There's not many states left - is anyone reporting how Cruz should drop out like they are Sanders?

Yeah, Cruz is obviously a loser.

Better they should all get behind Trump for Party Unity and all that jazz.