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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#4261  Postby Tortured_Genius » Jan 30, 2022 7:51 pm

Macdoc wrote:Ran out of free Atlantic articles ...can you put up some snippets


I'll try - it rambles a bit:

Anthropologists define ritual sacrifice as societies’ organized killing of people in order to please supernatural beings and—the unspoken real-world part—to fortify the political and economic power of those societies’ elites. The tradition is right there in the first book of the Bible, when God commands Abraham to prove he loves him by murdering his son, and then only at the last second lets Abraham off the hook. For thousands of years in societies all over the world, small-scale and large-scale human sacrifice was common.

One big difference between then and now is the likelihood of death. In sacrificial spectacles hundreds and thousands of years ago, almost all of those chosen to die died, whether or not they had volunteered, whereas only a fraction of the people now volunteering to die by forgoing vaccinations actually do. It’s the new and improved modern version of mass human sacrifice.

But as I surveyed the anthropological literature, I was struck again and again by how well that scholarship describes the factors responsible for the thousands of deaths of Americans each month. Our current experience with COVID is filled with what historians of human sacrifice have identified as its key features. Let me run through the main ones.

1. Cultural and social complexity
The literature suggests that, far from happening only in simple societies, “human sacrifice stamps relatively advanced and especially decadent peoples,” as the Cambridge University scholar Stanley Arthur Cook concluded a century ago, just as the practice finally seemed to be disappearing. In the introduction to The Strange World of Human Sacrifice (2007), the religious historian Jan Bremmer wrote, “Human sacrifice is not something that is typical of marginal or minor tribes. On the contrary, as a regular practice on a grander scale, human sacrifice seems to belong to … larger empires”—“more developed cultures” that “have a strong government” and thus “could happily dispose” of people “without the community suffering a disastrous loss of members.” A groundbreaking 2016 study of scores of socially complex cultures across the Pacific and East Asia found that “sacrificial victims were typically of low status.” In various places around the world, the victims of human sacrifice tended to be elderly, ill, or both.

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2. Intense social stress
“The sacrifices,” Bremmer wrote, “often took place during exceptional circumstances … in periods of crisis.” In Inca societies in 15th- and 16th-century South America, according to a 2015 paper, “sacrifices were often conducted in response to natural calamities, such as … epidemics,” “based on their belief that illness and natural disasters were forms of supernatural punishment for sins committed.”

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3. Politics plus faith
According to the literature, human sacrifice occurred in societies where highly supernatural religion and state governance were deeply intertwined.

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4. Enormous scale
The human sacrifices carried out in the 15th and 16th centuries by the Aztecs, “a relatively young empire,” killed thousands of people and perhaps tens of thousands annually. For that civilization, according to Science’s Mexico-based archaeology and Latin American correspondent, “political power as well as religious belief is likely key to understanding the scale of the practice.”

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5. Victims volunteer and “volunteer”
In the Quranic version of the story, when Abraham is ordered by the Almighty to murder his son, the boy voluntarily submits to the plan in order to please God. The Aztecs’ “sacrificial victims earned a special, honored place in the afterlife,” according to one account; another declared that many “went willingly to the sacrificial altar.” The historian Bremmer writes that in the ritual sacrifices carried out by India’s Kond people into the 1800s, “the victims were always treated with great kindness before being sacrificed” to “the founding goddess of the village” and that, “in turn, the Konds expected them to offer themselves voluntarily.” Not surprisingly, when it comes to human sacrifice, the lines between voluntary and involuntary, suicide and murder, can be blurry. In the blood sacrifices practiced by the indigenous Chukchi people of Siberia well into the 19th century, the anthropologist Rane Willerslev explained in a 2013 paper, their ritual of so-called voluntary death was accomplished by means of various forms of “sacrificial trickery.”



For each point they reference the current anti-vaccination right-wing cult and past cults (Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple for instance). It may or may not be an accurate analysis but it certainly paints the whole right-wing Trump MAGA personality cult in an interesting light.

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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#4262  Postby Macdoc » Jan 30, 2022 9:14 pm

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#4263  Postby Seabass » Jan 30, 2022 10:26 pm

The most interesting part, IMO:

ibid wrote:Along-standing theory of human sacrifice, the “social-control hypothesis,” has argued that social elites used it to keep the hoi polloi subservient. But the evidence was scattered and anecdotal, untested by the most rigorous modern scholarship. One big question: What distinguished the cultures that practiced human sacrifice from those that did not? Thanks to a massive historical database of the social and genetic particulars of a hundred traditional societies spread over a sixth of the planet, from the eastern Pacific to Australia and East Asia, in 2016 we got one definitive answer: “Ritual human sacrifice,” an official summary of the research said, “played a central role in helping those at the top of the social hierarchy maintain power over those at the bottom.”

Researchers from the University of Auckland, Australia’s Victoria University, and the Max Planck Institute for the Science of Human History categorized 93 Austronesian societies, 40 of which practiced human sacrifice, according to three levels of socioeconomic fairness—from most egalitarian, where children didn’t inherit wealth or status from parents, to totally nonegalitarian, where children could acquire wealth and status only by inheritance. The results are stark: The less fair a society’s socioeconomic system was, the more likely it was to practice human sacrifice—67 percent of the least egalitarian societies versus only 25 percent of the most egalitarian and 37 percent of those in the middle. More specifically, the researchers wrote, “human sacrifice substantially increased the chances of high social stratification arising,” “increased the rate at which” those societies “gain high social stratification,” and “stabilizes social stratification once stratification has arisen.”

Do I even need to make the point that in America since the 1970s, as a result of the reengineering of our political economy led by Republicans, Big Business, and the rich, the U.S. has become much less egalitarian, inequality and stratification have radically increased, and socioeconomic mobility has radically decreased?
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#4264  Postby The_Piper » Jan 30, 2022 10:53 pm

Robert LeMay, a former police officer in Washington state, had retired rather than comply with the vaccine mandate for police. His last statement as a police officer was "kiss my ass" directed at governor Inslee.
YouTube clip of that statement.
Unfortunately he passed away from, you guessed it. Leaving a wife and four kids. The disinformation of right wing media is almost entirely to blame.
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I've been reading a thread or two a day there. I guess they call that doom-scrolling. I consider most of the awardees' deaths tragic. There are some thoroughly odious people, but many who were just profoundly deluded, devoid of critical thinking skill, but not necessarily "evil". The disinformation of right wing media is almost entirely to blame.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#4265  Postby The Serpent » Jan 30, 2022 11:44 pm

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Sorry about that. It's a link to a video of Jordan being, well Jordan.
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#4266  Postby Hermit » Jan 31, 2022 12:39 am

The Serpent wrote:
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Sorry about that. It's a link to a video of Jordan being, well Jordan.

No worries. There's a good chance the video will eventually appear on Youtube if it hasn't already. I might stumble across it there.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#4267  Postby felltoearth » Jan 31, 2022 5:28 am

newolder wrote:Dave Grohl is now pulling Foo Fighters from Spotify.

By tomorrow Spotify could be Rogan's lonely blog. lol

They’ll always have Kid Rock tho.


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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#4268  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 31, 2022 3:48 pm

I created a playlist called “fuck Spotify”, in which I copied collections of Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, and Nils Lofgren. Whatever Apple pays artists when someone plays their songs, I don’t know. Whatever it is, I put my new playlist on shuffle play and reward those artists for pulling their catalogs from Spotify so long as that Covid denying dipshit Rogan remains on Spotify with his podcast.

Money talks.
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#4269  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 31, 2022 4:58 pm

Robert Lamay, Washington State trooper who retired instead of get vaccinated, got to enjoy about two months of that retirement, I figure it took him a month to die of the very thing we tried to save him from.

His fifteen minutes of fame was his staged sign off on his car’s radio, saying “Inslee (the governor) can kiss my ass”. Boy, oh boy, he sure owned Inslee, didn’t he?

I have no sympathy. He chose this.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#4270  Postby felltoearth » Jan 31, 2022 5:13 pm

Apple pays about 10x more than Spotify per 1000 streams.


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#4271  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 31, 2022 5:25 pm

felltoearth wrote:Apple pays about 10x more than Spotify per 1000 streams.


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#4272  Postby The_Metatron » Jan 31, 2022 11:52 pm

Here’s Chad, in North Carolina, who is boasting about dying a free man because he won’t be getting a kidney transplant unless he gets vaccinated for COVID.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 286648002/

Chad is going to die and call it “freedom”.

I am to the point where all I can tell him is “Good. Go die in whatever way suits you. I’m sure the people who count on you will understand.”
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#4273  Postby The Serpent » Jan 31, 2022 11:58 pm

"I will die free."

Good for you mate, you'll still fucking die.
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#4274  Postby felltoearth » Feb 01, 2022 4:52 am

The_Metatron wrote:Here’s Chad, in North Carolina, who is boasting about dying a free man because he won’t be getting a kidney transplant unless he gets vaccinated for COVID.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 286648002/

Chad is going to die and call it “freedom”.

I am to the point where all I can tell him is “Good. Go die in whatever way suits you. I’m sure the people who count on you will understand.”

“They’re were gonna put a fuck ton of pharmaceuticals into me for this transplant, but fuck em, that vaccine is poison!”


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#4275  Postby The_Piper » Feb 01, 2022 12:59 pm

There's one in Boston who needs a heart transplant but refuses the vaccine. It's unreal.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/man-who-needs-heart-transplant-refuses-to-get-covid-19-vaccine/#x
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#4277  Postby The_Metatron » Feb 02, 2022 4:08 pm

To add to the “Fuck Spotify” playlist is India Aria and Graham Nash.

[Reveal] Spoiler: Why this playlist?
Spotify is the streaming service that carries Joe Rogan, a podcaster who spreads COVID misinformation. People die from listening to that motherfucker.

This playlist (on my Apple streaming service) is on a loop in my house. It’s a concrete way to reward the artists who are pulling their catalogs from Spotify until Spotify ejects Joe Rogan.


Individual influence is small. It’s pretty much all I can do about this, though. And, it is doing some small thing about it. In addition to playing, I downloaded them as well. I wonder if the artists get paid differently for downloads than they do for streaming their works.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#4278  Postby Macdoc » Feb 03, 2022 10:00 am

From a doomed church, a 136-year-old story of vaccine mandates and resistance

Piece of newsprint found in N.B. church tells a familiar story of unrest during a smallpox outbreak in 1885


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brun ... -1.6335345

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The clipping details a push to get Montreal school children vaccinated against smallpox at a time when vaccine mandates were sparking violent riots, despite the disease killing thousands in Quebec.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#4279  Postby Agi Hammerthief » Feb 03, 2022 2:09 pm

maybe we‘d have fewer problems today if smallpox has killed more idiots back then.
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Re: The New And Coming Plague

#4280  Postby Spearthrower » Feb 03, 2022 3:54 pm

Unfortunately, Homo stupidus is endemic.
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