Yes, I was just looking at the tabloids, who appear to be mocking this. WTF, so there are no go areas in elections, or people you don't talk to. Brand probably speaks for a fair number of young people, who are switched off politics, so you just ignore them? This sounds either elitist or frightened, or maybe both.

nunnington wrote:Yes, I was just looking at the tabloids, who appear to be mocking this. WTF, so there are no go areas in elections, or people you don't talk to. Brand probably speaks for a fair number of young people, who are switched off politics, so you just ignore them? This sounds either elitist or frightened, or maybe both.

The tabloids are threatened by new media. Did I really just use the term new media with a straight face. Nearly everyone I know that is under 45 no longer relies on the printed press or even on traditional TV or radio news but instead takes there news from a number of sources and also sites that analyse various stories.

Brand has tapped into a huge sense of pissed-offness* with politics as practised in the UK at the moment. The establishment may well have cause to feel threatened by this body of people doing anything about it. Whilst they don't vote, and simply constitute a dissatisfied 'great unwashed', that establishment doesn't give a shit. When they start getting a bit necky, and have the temerity to raise their voices, they need to be put in their place. If they ever get organised, or get behind someone or some party that is, everything could change. Privilege is threatened, and so the news media are mocking Brand, hoping that will put these people back in their box. I don't think it will work. Miliband has used the S-word. Who knows what could happen next?



* This really should be a proper word

chairman bill wrote:Germany has no HE tuition fees, so I fail to see why they're needed anywhere in the UK

Good point. Perhaps you can ask your leaders why they introduced them.

Strontium Dog wrote:

chairman bill wrote:Germany has no HE tuition fees, so I fail to see why they're needed anywhere in the UK

Good point. Perhaps you can ask your leaders why they introduced them.

And you can ask your's why they increased them, and have now adopted a policy of keeping them. I think they're all wrong on this.

Definitely right for Miliband to do the Brand interview. I'm not sure if it will make much difference but if he picks up some votes from youngsters engaged in politics all the better. No banana skin for the Tory press to leap onto.

What is it with Brand and invading peoples personal space?! Has anyone else noticed? He just leans in way too close- in your face literally.

chairman bill wrote:

Strontium Dog wrote:

chairman bill wrote:Germany has no HE tuition fees, so I fail to see why they're needed anywhere in the UK

Good point. Perhaps you can ask your leaders why they introduced them.

And you can ask your's why they increased them, and have now adopted a policy of keeping them. I think they're all wrong on this.

Well I can tell you why we "increased" them, and that's because both Labour and the Tories were committed to implementing the Browne review, which recommended increasing them. By having Lib Dem input, we were able to get the threshold for repayments raised and various other improvements so that going to university actually works out cheaper for the poorest graduates than it did before.

With hindsight, we should have left Labour and the Tories to screw the students over together and reaped the electoral benefits, but there we are, silly Lib Dems doing the best thing for the country and being punished for it.

Strontium Dog wrote:

chairman bill wrote:

Strontium Dog wrote:

chairman bill wrote:Germany has no HE tuition fees, so I fail to see why they're needed anywhere in the UK

Good point. Perhaps you can ask your leaders why they introduced them.

And you can ask your's why they increased them, and have now adopted a policy of keeping them. I think they're all wrong on this.

Well I can tell you why we "increased" them, and that's because both Labour and the Tories were committed to implementing the Browne review, which recommended increasing them. By having Lib Dem input, we were able to get the threshold for repayments raised and various other improvements so that going to university actually works out cheaper for the poorest graduates than it did before.

With hindsight, we should have left Labour and the Tories to screw the students over together and reaped the electoral benefits, but there we are, silly Lib Dems doing the best thing for the country and being punished for it.

Comedy. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes less so.

smudge wrote:Definitely right for Miliband to do the Brand interview. I'm not sure if it will make much difference but if he picks up some votes from youngsters engaged in politics all the better. No banana skin for the Tory press to leap onto.

What is it with Brand and invading peoples personal space?! Has anyone else noticed? He just leans in way too close- in your face literally.

Those who are attacking/ridiculing Miliband for this (including bbc news presenters I noticed today) are missing the point. Nobody is going to be put off voting Labour because Miliband (shock!) spoke to someone, and those who don't vote and respect the colossal cock that is Brand will listen to Miliband a little more, hopefully, and might actually vote. No loss in doing it.

Brand represents the great unwashed, and Cameron was very dismissive. Hardly surprising - Brand has a regional accent FFS. One must maintain standards, if one is to be a Conservative PM.

I hope a lot of those disillusioned people now vote Labour.

I should think Cameron is panicking. He is being outfought, and if SNP win every seat, Labour are in with maybe 260 seats. Watch the right-wing press screech, it's illegitimate! I'm not mad on Miliband, but he is a fighter.

Strontium Dog wrote:

chairman bill wrote:Germany has no HE tuition fees, so I fail to see why they're needed anywhere in the UK

Good point. Perhaps you can ask your leaders why they introduced them.

Ed Milliband wasn't even an MP when tuition fees were introduced... Back to the old bollocks argument of faux monolithic organisations again I see

I get where you're coming from, I'm scared of David Cameron upsetting the Argentinians because the Tories went to war with them when he wasn't even an MP. /Sarcasm

Find out which of your parliamentary candidates have pledged support for the NHS Reinstatement Bill. And if they haven't, please ask them to do so.

mattthomas wrote:

Strontium Dog wrote:

chairman bill wrote:Germany has no HE tuition fees, so I fail to see why they're needed anywhere in the UK

Good point. Perhaps you can ask your leaders why they introduced them.

Ed Milliband wasn't even an MP when tuition fees were introduced... Back to the old bollocks argument of faux monolithic organisations again I see

I get where you're coming from, I'm scared of David Cameron upsetting the Argentinians because the Tories went to war with them when he wasn't even an MP. /Sarcasm

I suspect the reason SD jabbers on about labour policies from up to 20 years ago is that the yellow tory party wishes it were contesting the 1997 election, way back in the party's heyday.

As opposed to the 2015 election, when the yellow tory party is going to get fucked.

https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status ... 32/photo/1

Another poll showing clegg is on course to lose his seat. lol.

Labour is currently ahead in local polling, in its target 50 Tory seats, and reckoned likely to win at least 44 of them.

ED209 wrote:https://twitter.com/LordAshcroft/status/593428951307026432/photo/1

Another poll showing clegg is on course to lose his seat. lol.

But didn't you hear? The libdems have their own super secret polling which shows they are winning, private polling which includes leading questions to distort the answers ALWAYS trumps any polls which don't show a libdem lead. Libdems are winning everywhere, FACT*.

(*fact not guaranteed)



In other news, some stuff that made me laugh out loud today (and yes, the first image is real, the Scottish Tory Leader was driving around on a fucking tank today, with the weird Scottish Tory flag on it):

'That chap's got a spare bedroom. Open fire!'


Has any Labour leader ever run a worse campaign than Jim Murphy?

When Jim Murphy became the Scottish Labour leader last year he suggested the party could hold on to every one of their seats north of the border.

Today's Ipsos-MORI poll suggests he is on course to lose every single one.

Oh yeah, I forgot. Yellow tory voters are special in that they alone need to be reminded of who their MP is when asked which way they'll vote. And nick clegg particularly is extremely popular among his constituents who don't know who the fuck he is.

To be fair, if asked whether you might vote LibDem, some might offer a grudging 'yes'. When reminded that the LibDem candidate is Clegg, most would say "Fuck off! I'm not voting for that shit!"