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Re: UK Labour Party Watch

#13361  Postby minininja » Nov 08, 2017 8:30 pm

I have no idea if Corbyn has any particular bias between Israel and Palestine beyond what could be considered a reasonable inclination to stand up against oppression. Maybe he does. But if you want to provided evidence of that you need to do a hell of a lot better than "he didn't attend an official dinner". It's a bit tired as a joke in a satirical magazine, - as serious political commentary, it's nothing.

I mean, to talk of double standards - how about comparing what Corbyn's done to the mess the Tories have been making. The international development secretary has held unofficial meetings with foreign ministers and lobbyists as if in an official capacity to discus things that are contradictory to UK foreign policy. And the foreign secretary's bumbling bullshit risked serious negative consequences to British citizen he was supposed to be helping. And the Brexit minister seems to have misplaced all the paperwork that he claimed he had about the impact of Brexit on the economy. That's just this week.
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#13362  Postby CarlPierce » Nov 09, 2017 1:31 am

minininja wrote:I have no idea if Corbyn has any particular bias between Israel and Palestine beyond what could be considered a reasonable inclination to stand up against oppression. Maybe he does. But if you want to provided evidence of that you need to do a hell of a lot better than "he didn't attend an official dinner". It's a bit tired as a joke in a satirical magazine, - as serious political commentary, it's nothing.

I mean, to talk of double standards - how about comparing what Corbyn's done to the mess the Tories have been making. The international development secretary has held unofficial meetings with foreign ministers and lobbyists as if in an official capacity to discus things that are contradictory to UK foreign policy. And the foreign secretary's bumbling bullshit risked serious negative consequences to British citizen he was supposed to be helping. And the Brexit minister seems to have misplaced all the paperwork that he claimed he had about the impact of Brexit on the economy. That's just this week.


Yes the Tories are worse but this is labour watch and im calling out your leader for being economical with the truth. I know its hard if your a fanboy to see any bad in your messiah, but he should have been honest and said the reason im meeting hamas is I support their struggle. Instead he was a coward and told a white lie to cover his backside.
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#13363  Postby minininja » Nov 09, 2017 9:27 am

CarlPierce wrote:Yes the Tories are worse but this is labour watch and im calling out your leader for being economical with the truth. I know its hard if your a fanboy to see any bad in your messiah, but he should have been honest and said the reason im meeting hamas is I support their struggle. Instead he was a coward and told a white lie to cover his backside.

My leader? I'm no "labour fanboy". I'm just calling you out for being economical with the truth in making far more of a lame attempt at criticism than it's actually worth.
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#13364  Postby CarlPierce » Nov 09, 2017 11:41 am

minininja wrote:
CarlPierce wrote:Yes the Tories are worse but this is labour watch and im calling out your leader for being economical with the truth. I know its hard if your a fanboy to see any bad in your messiah, but he should have been honest and said the reason im meeting hamas is I support their struggle. Instead he was a coward and told a white lie to cover his backside.

My leader? I'm no "labour fanboy". I'm just calling you out for being economical with the truth in making far more of a lame attempt at criticism than it's actually worth.

Did I call you a fanboy anywhere ? Not your leader the labour leader as in labour watch, ive no idea if you personally have a leader as such. However I would argue that typical fanboy behaviour is doggedly defending the indefensible regardless of the facts like your average brexiteer or climate change denier might.
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#13365  Postby The Hanging Monkey » Nov 09, 2017 12:02 pm

Does anyone else understand that? I haven't a clue.
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#13366  Postby minininja » Nov 09, 2017 12:04 pm

CarlPierce wrote:Did I call you a fanboy anywhere ? Not your leader the labour leader as in labour watch, ive no idea if you personally have a leader as such.

Well you used the pronoun "you" while replying to me, so I sort of assumed that you meant what you were saying.

However I would argue that typical fanboy behaviour is doggedly defending the indefensible regardless of the facts like your average brexiteer or climate change denier might.

...he said, seemingly without irony. :shifty:



Seriously though Carl, don't worry about it, I'm just messing with you.
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Re: UK Labour Party Watch

#13367  Postby ronmcd » Nov 09, 2017 12:21 pm

CarlPierce wrote:
minininja wrote:I have no idea if Corbyn has any particular bias between Israel and Palestine beyond what could be considered a reasonable inclination to stand up against oppression. Maybe he does. But if you want to provided evidence of that you need to do a hell of a lot better than "he didn't attend an official dinner". It's a bit tired as a joke in a satirical magazine, - as serious political commentary, it's nothing.

I mean, to talk of double standards - how about comparing what Corbyn's done to the mess the Tories have been making. The international development secretary has held unofficial meetings with foreign ministers and lobbyists as if in an official capacity to discus things that are contradictory to UK foreign policy. And the foreign secretary's bumbling bullshit risked serious negative consequences to British citizen he was supposed to be helping. And the Brexit minister seems to have misplaced all the paperwork that he claimed he had about the impact of Brexit on the economy. That's just this week.


Yes the Tories are worse but this is labour watch and im calling out your leader for being economical with the truth. I know its hard if your a fanboy to see any bad in your messiah, but he should have been honest and said the reason im meeting hamas is I support their struggle. Instead he was a coward and told a white lie to cover his backside.

Weird, that does *look* like you were calling minininja a fanboy for his leader.

I know it's hard if you're a yellow tory to spell your. I'm not saying you are a yellow tory, though, obviously. Don't be silly.
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Re: UK Labour Party Watch

#13368  Postby ronmcd » Nov 09, 2017 12:24 pm

But it's heartwarming that there still exists one political party in UK which eschews the personal attacks and rhetoric we see so often.
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#13369  Postby CarlPierce » Nov 09, 2017 4:42 pm

ronmcd wrote:But it's heartwarming that there still exists one political party in UK which eschews the personal attacks and rhetoric we see so often.


I'd say we are as good as any to be honest but probably no better either. I'm just responding to years of left winger taunts here. Hi ED. Will take a while to calm down. Oh and if you want a taste of the shysters in my area Hounslow that colour my view of labour read private eye this week. According to them Labour councillors are trying to frame each other by sending porn to local imans on behalf of each other.
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#13370  Postby ronmcd » Nov 18, 2017 9:58 am

twitter reacts to this story:
Alex Salmond’s advisors “Hosting a show on Russia Today will be the most talked about thing done by a Scottish politician this week”

Kezia Dugdale’s advisors “Hold my beer”
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#13371  Postby ronmcd » Nov 18, 2017 10:02 am

Yikes.

https://twitter.com/LesleyRiddoch/statu ... 5099447296
Kezia Dugdale off to join I'm a Celebrity is unbelievable. And this condemnation fm one of her closest Scotparl colleagues is damning. Will there be a party left to lead by tomorrow?


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Election to parliament is a privilege to serve and represent people. It’s not a shortcut to celebrity.


Scottish Labour, the clown show that just keeps on and on and on. Someone put it out of it's misery, please. It's embarrassing.
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Re: UK Labour Party Watch

#13374  Postby Tracer Tong » Nov 18, 2017 2:25 pm

I wonder what for, if so.
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#13375  Postby ronmcd » Nov 18, 2017 3:17 pm

Tracer Tong wrote:I wonder what for, if so.

I suspect it's the precedent set by the Tories when Nadine Dories did the same and was suspended. Not sure the actual reason, they'd be better just ignoring it.

I did read someone ask the question, since Dugdale is a list MSP not a constituency one, doesn't her being suspended mean she would be removed and the next on the list would take her place, even temporarily? :ask:
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Re: UK Labour Party Watch

#13376  Postby ronmcd » Nov 18, 2017 7:12 pm

Good to see the new Scottish Labour leader has his tactics all worked out on day 1 ...

https://twitter.com/LabourRichard/statu ... 1757922305
I welcome the fact that the combined pressure of BiFab workers, their trade unions and the public have forced a deal from the Government. As we await the details of the deal, we must ensure that it protects all the 1,400 jobs under threat now and in the future.


https://twitter.com/ChristinaSNP/status ... 4975770625
Graceless and pitiful response Richard........


Considering ...

https://twitter.com/GMBScotOrg/status/9 ... 5521819649
Full credit to @NicolaSturgeon and the Scot Gov for battling for #BiFab. Future of the contract delivered. Now to build for the long-term.


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Re: UK Labour Party Watch

#13377  Postby Tracer Tong » Nov 19, 2017 1:01 am

His tactics of doing what one would expect any opposition leader to do?
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Re: UK Labour Party Watch

#13379  Postby Tracer Tong » Nov 19, 2017 11:50 am

ronmcd wrote:You have lower expectations of your opposition leaders than even I? Yikes.


I expect them to be critical of the government, rather than slapping them on the back. That’s probably a good thing.
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Re: UK Labour Party Watch

#13380  Postby ronmcd » Nov 20, 2017 10:19 pm

Labour just whipped its MPs to vote against @IanMurrayMP Brexit amendment to keep current EU customs duties. Some Tory MPs, SNP, LDs + Lab votes with him

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/932723200395501569


Can’t believe it. Labour - with some honourable exceptions - have just voted to effectively leave the EU customs union

https://twitter.com/CarolineLucas/statu ... 0721018881
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