Why have you decided to completely misrepresent what I said, especially when the original is directly above? I said literally nothing about UKIP itself. UKIP can go die in a ditch. It's simply wrong to say that people don't vote UKIP for policies on anything other than hating foreigners. We've been here before, yet you keep trotting out the same old shit like no one said anything.

mrjonno wrote:
UKIP is an ordinary party with reasonable people with ordinary
concerns and not just a 21st century brown shirt fascist movement

Given what happened to them it is not a very flattering comparison but nor is it remotely accurate either
And so if you really must use an historical analogy then at least try to use one which has some relevance

Well a better comparison might be Putin's Russia, a country that can't handle no longer being an empire or world power looking for a strong man and someone to blame for all their problems.

No coincidence that Farage and UKIP supporters are such a big supporter of him

mrjonno wrote:

Fallible wrote:

mrjonno wrote:Somehow I don't think people vote UKIP for policies on the NHS (or in fact policies on anything bar hating foreigners)

Well they do, as I've already told you.

Yes if you say so, UKIP is an ordinary party with reasonable people with ordinary concerns and not just a 21st century brown shirt fascist movement

You have got it all wrong. They are sweet little Englanders wanting to preserve the English way of life. Stopping all those horrible horrible little European foreigners is the least they can do.

Main reason people vote UKIP

1) Brown people with headscarfs and strange clothes let in by the EU
2) Don't like listening to languages other than English in the high street
3) Strange foods being sold in the shops especially vegetables (curries are ok they are English)
4) You are a low skilled/no skilled failure who can't complete with people who come from far worse backgrounds than you but want to make a go of things
5) All the above

That's it, anyone who thinks UKIP supporters vote on any other basis are in complete denial, they are underclass failures who 'love their country' because they have never achieved any thing else in their life worth loving

mrjonno wrote:Main reason people vote UKIP

1) Brown people with headscarfs and strange clothes let in by the EU
2) Don't like listening to languages other than English in the high street
3) Strange foods being sold in the shops especially vegetables (curries are ok they are English)
4) You are a low skilled/no skilled failure who can't complete with people who come from far worse backgrounds than you but want to make a go of things
5) All the above

That's it, anyone who thinks UKIP supporters vote on any other basis are in complete denial, they are underclass failures who 'love their country' because they have never achieved any thing else in their life worth loving

Simplistic nonsense. If people like that were the only people supporting UKIP they'd be polling at similar levels to those that the BNP were before UKIP took their support.

What makes you think there weren't 25% of the population who would have supported the BNP if to do so wasn't so embarrassing?

UKIP are the BNP with better PR simple as that

So why are people voting ukip if not xenophobia? To privatise / not privatise the NHS, introduce flat income tax (or maybe not), or as jez suggests to legalise drugs or maybe not who can bothered to see whether they have an actual policy or not (probably not).

And we are meant to take the opinions people voting for this incoherent mess of no substance at all seriously? Pfft.

Taking my parents as an example,

mrjonno wrote:Main reason people vote UKIP

1) Brown people with headscarfs and strange clothes let in by the EU

Wrong. They've lived in areas with many ''brown people with headscarfs' [sic] for a long time and have always previously voted Labour.

2) Don't like listening to languages other than English in the high street

Wrong, as above.

3) Strange foods being sold in the shops especially vegetables (curries are ok they are English)

Wrong, as above.

4) You are a low skilled/no skilled failure who can't complete with people who come from far worse backgrounds than you but want to make a go of things

Wrong, my parents are both retired working class people from full-time jobs which gave them pensions, having left school at 15.

5) All the above

Wrong, as above.

That's it, anyone who thinks UKIP supporters vote on any other basis are in complete denial,

Someone is in complete denial when they stick to their pre-formed narrative about how things are despite evidence to the contrary. That better describes you than me, since we've been here before and you've conceded, only to go straight back to your previous Jackanory style reasoning on this issue.

they are underclass failures who 'love their country' because they have never achieved any thing else in their life worth loving

Again, this is wrong with regard to my parents. They are not 'underclass failures'. They're two people who left school at 15, got work and continued to work for several decades before reaching retirement age. Now given your view that retired people are usually sitting on piles of cash and whooping it up in stately homes, how does that square with your puerile nonsense about 'underclass'? There are no doubt many people who fall into the categories listed above, but to try to say that every UKIP voter does is simply wrong, and you have not a hope in hell of being able to show it to be right. Your comments are infantile.

mrjonno wrote:What makes you think there weren't 25% of the population who would have supported the BNP if to do so wasn't so embarrassing?

UKIP are the BNP with better PR simple as that

Garage has managed to keep the fascist aspects of Ukip under wraps. The BNP was a pure fascist party and made no bones about. Ukip is BNP without the obvious physical fascist paraphernalia. This is why more people feel comfortable voting for them. Fascism without the flags.

ED209 wrote:So why are people voting ukip if not xenophobia? To privatise / not privatise the NHS, introduce flat income tax (or maybe not), or as jez suggests to legalise drugs or maybe not who can bothered to see whether they have an actual policy or not (probably not).

And we are meant to take the opinions people voting for this incoherent mess of no substance at all seriously? Pfft.

For my parents, it's because they feel they are at least different from the other three. I think they're both out of their fucking trees, but there you go. I thought hell would freeze over before I saw either of them vote for that shower of cunts. They're old, in my view seriously misguided, my mum certainly is naive. What they are not is xenophobic, I say this on the basis of having known them for 41 years.

I don't think Farage does hide anything, Farage as a fascist has a lot of support as quite simply a significant percentage of the British population are racist bigot failures with nothing worthwhile in their lives

No one said otherwise. The problem is you're trying to say that ALL UKIP voters fall into this category which, as I said, they don't.

Fallible wrote:No one said otherwise. The problem is you're trying to say that ALL UKIP voters fall into this category which, as I said, they don't.

Most do, and the rest are quite happy to associate with people who are , no exceptions


My mother who I love is a racist (she doesn't vote UKIP) but is quite happy to have every Arab in the world exterminated. I not going to defend her just because she is relative

mrjonno wrote:

Fallible wrote:No one said otherwise. The problem is you're trying to say that ALL UKIP voters fall into this category which, as I said, they don't.

Most do, and the rest are quite happy to associate with people who are , no exceptions

Goal post shift to a different claim you can't substantiate.

My mother who I love is a racist (she doesn't vote UKIP) but is quite happy to have every Arab in the world exterminated. I not going to defend her just because she is relative

Good for you. What has that got to do with anything?

Fallible wrote:

ED209 wrote:So why are people voting ukip if not xenophobia? To privatise / not privatise the NHS, introduce flat income tax (or maybe not), or as jez suggests to legalise drugs or maybe not who can bothered to see whether they have an actual policy or not (probably not).

And we are meant to take the opinions people voting for this incoherent mess of no substance at all seriously? Pfft.

For my parents, it's because they feel they are at least different from the other three. I think they're both out of their fucking trees, but there you go. I thought hell would freeze over before I saw either of them vote for that shower of cunts. They're old, in my view seriously misguided, my mum certainly is naive. What they are not is xenophobic, I say this on the basis of having known them for 41 years.

So are the greens, MRLP, and any number of little parties and independents. The greens at least have a set of policies. Why vote for a party unless you can point to something they actually say or stand for and say 'I agree with that'?

The main difference between ukip and the torydems that I can see is that ukip is open about what they think about immigration. What else do they offer?

mrjonno wrote:I don't think Farage does hide anything, Farage as a fascist has a lot of support as quite simply a significant percentage of the British population are racist bigot failures with nothing worthwhile in their lives

Never seen a Ukip fascist rally yet with some form of pseudo swastika. I think plenty just follow what the British press say. They are brain washed by the red tops.

ED209 wrote:

Fallible wrote:

ED209 wrote:So why are people voting ukip if not xenophobia? To privatise / not privatise the NHS, introduce flat income tax (or maybe not), or as jez suggests to legalise drugs or maybe not who can bothered to see whether they have an actual policy or not (probably not).

And we are meant to take the opinions people voting for this incoherent mess of no substance at all seriously? Pfft.

For my parents, it's because they feel they are at least different from the other three. I think they're both out of their fucking trees, but there you go. I thought hell would freeze over before I saw either of them vote for that shower of cunts. They're old, in my view seriously misguided, my mum certainly is naive. What they are not is xenophobic, I say this on the basis of having known them for 41 years.

So are the greens, MRLP, and any number of little parties and independents. The greens at least have a set of policies. Why vote for a party unless you can point to something they actually say or stand for and say 'I agree with that'?

The main difference between ukip and the torydems that I can see is that ukip is open about what they think about immigration. What else do they offer?

I'd vote for practically any other party as well, if all I wanted was something different. However I'm not an octogenarian slowly turning senile or a septuagenarian who has just followed what the octogenarian does for most of my life. I'm not saying they've thought this crap through, they clearly haven't. My only complaint here is that they're not members of the racist 'underclass', and they're unlikely to be the only ones who aren't, but who also vote UKIP. I hate UKIP, I always will, they are a vile collection of bigoted fuckwits who should never be let anywhere near 10 Downing Street. Many of the people who vote for them display similar characteristics. However it is just not accurate to claim they all are. It is also not accurate to insinuate that I'm just trying to defend my parents because I am related to them, and they are racist fuckwits really.

It's impossible to not be aware of what UKIP is like, anyone who votes for them is happy to associate with racist fuckwits. The difference between racists and those who associate with them is purely academic

Just keep saying stuff, because everyone knows that makes it true.