~*~Unofficial 2016 US Presidential Election Thread~*~

[proudfootz]

The line between moderate and extremist is extraordinarily fluid in US politics.

[purplerat]

The line between moderate and extremist is extraordinarily fluid in US politics.

Extrenist simply means somebody who resides at the edge of the political spectrum. Many Bernie supportors would fit that definition.

[igorfrankensteen]

Actually, I think it would be more accurate to say that it isn't so much WHO you support, as WHY you support them, that determines your location in the political spectrum.

[proudfootz]

The line between moderate and extremist is extraordinarily fluid in US politics.

Extrenist simply means somebody who resides at the edge of the political spectrum. Many Bernie supportors would fit that definition.

Looks like Clinton, and by extension her supporters, are the ones closer to the edge:

[The_Piper]

The issue is the whole state of Texas is hardly representative of the us as a whole. Same thing with the Bible Belt, etc. saying its a big issue there makes sense. Saying its a big issue facing America? Not so much.

Where are the moderate Americans calling out the extremist Americans? The world needs to have a ban on all American travel until we can figure out what is going on.

For example

[purplerat]

The line between moderate and extremist is extraordinarily fluid in US politics.

Extrenist simply means somebody who resides at the edge of the political spectrum. Many Bernie supportors would fit that definition.

Looks like Clinton, and by extension her supporters, are the ones closer to the edge:

Relative to those arbitrary axis sure. Relative to us politics its clear on that graph that bernie is towards the extreme.

[Thommo]

Why do people keep posting up those political compass scores? The guys at political compass just fill in any old answers they feel like, it's not even as (pseudo-)scientific as if those people took it themselves. That doesn't represent the politics of Trump, Bush, Cruz, Rubio, Clinton or Sanders it represents the politics of some unnamed guy with a job at a website with left leaning views.

All that info is freely available in their FAQ.

[laklak]

The political compass thing was fun to take, but it has no real meaning. What defines each quadrant and who came up with the definitions? It's just internet fluff.

[purplerat]

Why do people keep posting up those political compass scores? The guys at political compass just fill in any old answers they feel like, it's not even as (pseudo-)scientific as if those people took it themselves. That doesn't represent the politics of Trump, Bush, Cruz, Rubio, Clinton or Sanders it represents the politics of some unnamed guy with a job at a website with left leaning views.

All that info is freely available in their FAQ.

But they go so good with a cup of coffee

[Thommo]

Why do people keep posting up those political compass scores? The guys at political compass just fill in any old answers they feel like, it's not even as (pseudo-)scientific as if those people took it themselves. That doesn't represent the politics of Trump, Bush, Cruz, Rubio, Clinton or Sanders it represents the politics of some unnamed guy with a job at a website with left leaning views.

All that info is freely available in their FAQ.

But they go so good with a cup of coffee

[willhud9]

Now, now guys, when I challenged the political compass that Willie brought up a couple of days ago on the FBI thread I was told that it was held to the highest esteem as an accurate, political model by serious political science experts. It's only because of my American views of politics though that I failed to see how accurate and reliable it is.

[Thommo]

Yeah, I think he was being a silly.

[crank]

The issue is the whole state of Texas is hardly representative of the us as a whole. Same thing with the Bible Belt, etc. saying its a big issue there makes sense. Saying its a big issue facing America? Not so much.

'Telling' I said and you've really confirmed. I'm glad some of us are so comfortable coming to 'objective' conclusions based solely on their own, admitted, limited observations. I don't think 'objective' works quite like that. Regular perusers of this forum would need some pretty fucking effective blinders to avoid exposure to a vast range of negative impacts religious belief inflicts on the US. You see this issue as a joke? Really?

[proudfootz]

The line between moderate and extremist is extraordinarily fluid in US politics.

Extrenist simply means somebody who resides at the edge of the political spectrum. Many Bernie supportors would fit that definition.

Looks like Clinton, and by extension her supporters, are the ones closer to the edge:

Relative to those arbitrary axis sure. Relative to us politics its clear on that graph that bernie is towards the extreme.

Yes, Sanders' positions are extremely moderate and sensible.

[proudfootz]

The political compass thing was fun to take, but it has no real meaning. What defines each quadrant and who came up with the definitions? It's just internet fluff.

Exactly the sort of question that should be raised when someone randomly calls Sanders supporters 'extremists'.

[purplerat]

Id think sanders supporters would proudly own up to being to the extreme of the existing us political spectrum.

[crank]

Id think sanders supporters would proudly own up to being to the extreme of the existing us political spectrum.

I don't, I'm not at any extremes, it's more like off-the-page.

[willhud9]

The issue is the whole state of Texas is hardly representative of the us as a whole. Same thing with the Bible Belt, etc. saying its a big issue there makes sense. Saying its a big issue facing America? Not so much.

'Telling' I said and you've really confirmed. I'm glad some of us are so comfortable coming to 'objective' conclusions based solely on their own, admitted, limited observations. I don't think 'objective' works quite like that. Regular perusers of this forum would need some pretty fucking effective blinders to avoid exposure to a vast range of negative impacts religious belief inflicts on the US. You see this issue as a joke? Really?

I said my direct personal experience is limited in that I have not seen much religious fuckwittery. Despite the fact that i grew up in a blended home between Italian Roman Catholics on my mother's side and Southern Baptists on my father's side, went to Liberty University, was an active and involved member of my church community, etc. I still have yet to encounter the degree of religious problems people seem to be expressing.

Then again my tolerance for religious expression may of course be greater than other people. I am of the opinion that women should not be barred from wearing hijab's in courtrooms, etc.

However, my objective experience in actually researching this issue is more involved. You put words in my mouth and accused me of having limited knowledge. I never once said that. I have limited direct experience. Two different things. My limited direct experience is still probably greater than your limited direct experience in regards to this issue, but comparing anecdotes is not really effective.

When it comes to religion in the United States I fear many atheists on this forum tend to lose some of their credibility. I am all for secularism, but I am not for oppressive secularism. Time and time again history has shown us the more tolerant and free a society treats the religious members of society the more secular it becomes over time.

But in all honesty Crank, discussing this with you would get nowhere. After all, all you have done is tell me to read a book without any reference or citation from said book to demonstrate how it is relevant and worth my time to actually read, and then whine when I raise a point of contention against a small assertion you made.

And you have not actually addressed anything of my post aside to post this snide ad hom of yours. But that's not really surprising either.

[proudfootz]

Id think sanders supporters would proudly own up to being to the extreme of the existing us political spectrum.

As I pointed out - what is considered 'extremist' is a fluid concept.

[willhud9]

Extrenist simply means somebody who resides at the edge of the political spectrum. Many Bernie supportors would fit that definition.

Looks like Clinton, and by extension her supporters, are the ones closer to the edge:

Relative to those arbitrary axis sure. Relative to us politics its clear on that graph that bernie is towards the extreme.

Yes, Sanders' positions are extremely moderate and sensible.

According to what standard? and why is that standard superior to other standards?

From my vantage point, Sander's positions are extremely costly, would increase my monthly taxes to an uncomfortable amount where even my savings from health insurance do not fully cover my tax increase and without a pay increase I would not be able to afford my current method of living which puts an undue burden on myself and my disabled mother would leads to complications in trying to find housing in a good part of my county. So yay, I may be able to go to college for free, but without a roof over my head and internet with today's colleges relying on email and technology I would be screwed.

His positions seem impractical and overly hopeful from this vantage point. But hey you know. Perspective.