Steve wrote:Regarding police and body cameras. I think any police action gets tossed if the body camera or sound recording is turned off. They sometimes point in useless directions - that might also be grounds. And I also think the police do not get first access to them. They get uploaded and stored for maybe 3 years. In the case of being evidence they get stored like any other evidence.

With the police using body cameras I heard the complaints dropped through the floor. And it isn't all due to police misconduct. Plenty of complaints are trumped up by the complainer. But if there is a recording being made it is that much harder to bullshit about it.

Also the police do not investigate their own. Or at least, complaints against the police get citizen oversight. There should be an independent group steering these investigations, one not tied to the justice system. Obviously the justice system will be used to apply the law, but the oversight should be run to give some separation and protection from police manipulation.

orpheus wrote:Incidentally, isn't it a hell of a sad and disgusting thing that there's more than one thread now? One incident is bad enough. But this trend is appalling.

Thommo wrote:

orpheus wrote:Incidentally, isn't it a hell of a sad and disgusting thing that there's more than one thread now? One incident is bad enough. But this trend is appalling.

It seems appalling, but it could yet be a good sign - maybe it's happened for far too long, but now we are realising and seeing just how much it happens. This could be a precursor to something good, like all police officers wearing body cams, something that I thoroughly approve of after all I've seen and read on the subject.

orpheus wrote:

Thommo wrote:

orpheus wrote:Incidentally, isn't it a hell of a sad and disgusting thing that there's more than one thread now? One incident is bad enough. But this trend is appalling.

It seems appalling, but it could yet be a good sign - maybe it's happened for far too long, but now we are realising and seeing just how much it happens. This could be a precursor to something good, like all police officers wearing body cams, something that I thoroughly approve of after all I've seen and read on the subject.

Let's hope. Clearly there are widespread systemic problems. It would be great if being in the spotlight helps change things.

One thing just came to mind. What about requiring police to wear cameras that not only record, but also automatically upload to a remote server in real time? I'm not a techie; others here are much more knowledgable about these things. But it seems to me that that would add still another element to prevent cops tampering with the video. For even greater security, I could imagine the signal (a) being encrypted, and (b) going to not one remote server, but to several. Each would be controlled by an independent entity: non-police, non-political, and independent from each other.

Steve wrote:
With the police using body cameras I heard the complaints dropped through the floor. And it isn't all due to police misconduct. Plenty of complaints are trumped up by the complainer. But if there is a recording being made it is that much harder to bullshit about it.

Scot Dutchy wrote:Just rack up aggression.

Briton wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:Just rack up aggression.

What would, body cams?

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Briton wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:Just rack up aggression.

What would, body cams?

Amongst other things. You dont think a cycle of aggression is taking place? Do you think this is perfectly logical for a law enforcement agency to act? I would not call them police. Police have brains. These idiots are one step away from robocop which I think will appear on American streets within the next decade. In a society where aggression pays who is going to stop it?

Briton wrote:

Steve wrote:
With the police using body cameras I heard the complaints dropped through the floor. And it isn't all due to police misconduct. Plenty of complaints are trumped up by the complainer. But if there is a recording being made it is that much harder to bullshit about it.

Where do you get your evidence for that? No doubt it happens but I'd be surprised if false complaints are not hugely out numbered by police abuse. What's the point of making a false complaint in any case? Nothing is going to happen if it's just your word against a cop. Sounds like a red herring to me.

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:It's already been demonstrated that body cams have had a positive effect on interactions between the police and the public. Thinking they would rack up aggression seems a bit odd.

HughMcB wrote:Same shit, different day;
Despite court rulings, people are still getting arrested for recording on-duty cops

They need to press charges for assault by this marhsal.

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:It's already been demonstrated that body cams have had a positive effect on interactions between the police and the public. Thinking they would rack up aggression seems a bit odd.

Once again a complete misunderstanding.

I presume you do live in a society that does have a police force and not a law enforcement agency?

Briton wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:It's already been demonstrated that body cams have had a positive effect on interactions between the police and the public. Thinking they would rack up aggression seems a bit odd.

Once again a complete misunderstanding.

I presume you do live in a society that does have a police force and not a law enforcement agency?

I wrote that, not Rachel.

You said you think body cams would rack up aggression, in what way am I misunderstanding?

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Briton wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:It's already been demonstrated that body cams have had a positive effect on interactions between the police and the public. Thinking they would rack up aggression seems a bit odd.

Once again a complete misunderstanding.

I wrote that, not Rachel.

You said you think body cams would rack up aggression, in what way am I misunderstanding?

Sorry. Bad quotes.

I was in the police for a while and always found the more casual approach in many situations worked far better than the heavy handed methods. Having a camera on you with it staring at the individual you are talking to is heavy handed.

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:It's already been demonstrated that body cams have had a positive effect on interactions between the police and the public. Thinking they would rack up aggression seems a bit odd.

Once again a complete misunderstanding.

I presume you do live in a society that does have a police force and not a law enforcement agency?

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:

Scot Dutchy wrote:

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:It's already been demonstrated that body cams have had a positive effect on interactions between the police and the public. Thinking they would rack up aggression seems a bit odd.

Once again a complete misunderstanding.

I presume you do live in a society that does have a police force and not a law enforcement agency?

How the fuck did you make this mistake? My name appears NOWHERE in the post that contains the quote you've attributed to me.