YouTube Bans InfoWars

Bye Bye Alex Jones ...

For discussion of politics, and what's going on in the world today.

Moderators: kiore, Blip, The_Metatron

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#101  Postby purplerat » Aug 10, 2018 1:37 pm

Matt_B wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:
Matt_B wrote:While pretty much anyone can run a website,


Try it.

Really. Try it.

You’ll need your server farms, your data centers, your third tier meshed connections to the internet, your software platform...

After you get all of that up and running, now you’re going to accept being told you’ll be hosting Alex now?

I doubt it.



Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro


I've more than tried it. I've been running websites for over twenty years.

And I'm not really sure what your point is, either. Alex Jones already has a website, at http://www.infowars.com, and I'd presume that rather than make it all himself he just hires the back-end infrastructure and uses off-the-shelf software. There's nobody with a monopoly on such services either, so he could easily jump ship to someone else if his current providers wanted rid of him.

The potential problem with the social media giants is entirely down to them being effective monopolies. If you're kicked off, say, Facebook or YouTube, you can't simply go somewhere else because no other platforms offer the same thing. Also, when multiple social media platforms can get together and do it at the same time for entirely arbitrary reasons, you can't even go somewhere else and do something different; that's rather a lot of power concentrated in a few boardrooms.

While, in the case of Alex Jones, it's no great loss to humanity I'd be a little concerned that they could potentially do it to someone else rather more worthy. That's all, really.

I completely disagree that the top social media sites constitute any sort of monopoly.

There are countless sites and platforms across the web where you can share your opinion in a countless number of ways. You are literally doing that right here.

What Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter have is a very large audience. But free speech doesn't mean you are guaranteed an audience.
User avatar
purplerat
 
Posts: 12949
Male

Country: Only in America
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#102  Postby willhud9 » Aug 10, 2018 2:30 pm

What are other video sharing websites that compare to YouTube? Vimeo? :scratch:
Fear is a choice you embrace
Your only truth
Tribal poetry
Witchcraft filling your void
Lust for fantasy
Male necrocracy
Every child worthy of a better tale
User avatar
willhud9
 
Name: William
Posts: 19379
Age: 32
Male

Country: United States
United States (us)
Print view this post


Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#104  Postby purplerat » Aug 10, 2018 2:45 pm

Additionally, there's nothing particularly special about hosting video files so any general hosting service would work as well.
User avatar
purplerat
 
Posts: 12949
Male

Country: Only in America
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#105  Postby Teague » Aug 10, 2018 3:05 pm

Matt_B wrote:
Teague wrote:
Matt_B wrote:The potential problem with the social media giants is entirely down to them being effective monopolies. If you're kicked off, say, Facebook or YouTube, you can't simply go somewhere else because no other platforms offer the same thing. Also, when multiple social media platforms can get together and do it at the same time for entirely arbitrary reasons, you can't even go somewhere else and do something different; that's rather a lot of power concentrated in a few boardrooms.


What "arbitrary" reasons would they be?


They're whatever the platform owners want them to be. They get to set the rules, interpret them, decide appropriate sanctions and have all the discussions behind closed doors. Even if the results are ultimately the same, and in the case of Alex Jones I'd fully agree with their stated reasons for banning him, I wouldn't mind seeing a bit more transparency and accountability to the process.


And you'd be demonstrably wrong. They're not "arbitrary reason" at all and AJ agreed to the rules of YT when he signed up his accounts. He broke those rules and was given a 90 day ban and then tried to circumvent said ban which got him a permanent ban. You should read the article because it says it in there - it's on page one of this thread.
User avatar
Teague
 
Posts: 10072

United Kingdom (uk)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#106  Postby The_Metatron » Aug 10, 2018 3:35 pm

Matt_B wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:
Matt_B wrote:While pretty much anyone can run a website,

Try it.

Really. Try it.

You’ll need your server farms, your data centers, your third tier meshed connections to the internet, your software platform...

After you get all of that up and running, now you’re going to accept being told you’ll be hosting Alex now?

I doubt it.

Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro


I've more than tried it. I've been running websites for over twenty years.

And I'm not really sure what your point is, either. Alex Jones already has a website, at http://www.infowars.com, and I'd presume that rather than make it all himself he just hires the back-end infrastructure and uses off-the-shelf software. There's nobody with a monopoly on such services either, so he could easily jump ship to someone else if his current providers wanted rid of him.

The potential problem with the social media giants is entirely down to them being effective monopolies. If you're kicked off, say, Facebook or YouTube, you can't simply go somewhere else because no other platforms offer the same thing. Also, when multiple social media platforms can get together and do it at the same time for entirely arbitrary reasons, you can't even go somewhere else and do something different; that's rather a lot of power concentrated in a few boardrooms.

While, in the case of Alex Jones, it's no great loss to humanity I'd be a little concerned that they could potentially do it to someone else rather more worthy. That's all, really.

Oh, that’s all youtube is doing, is it? “Running a website”?

What kind of load sharing do you run on your websites, F5? Do you prefer physical or virtual servers? Let’s see a snapshot of you in front of one of your multiple redundant data centers.

My point is clear. “Running a website” is nowhere close to what Youtube or Facebook do. Running a website involves layers five through seven of the OSI model. These big outfits that just ejected some ass lint deal with all seven layers.
User avatar
The_Metatron
Moderator
 
Name: Jesse
Posts: 22570
Age: 61
Male

Country: United States
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#107  Postby felltoearth » Aug 10, 2018 3:52 pm

purplerat wrote:
Matt_B wrote:
The_Metatron wrote:
Matt_B wrote:While pretty much anyone can run a website,


Try it.

Really. Try it.

You’ll need your server farms, your data centers, your third tier meshed connections to the internet, your software platform...

After you get all of that up and running, now you’re going to accept being told you’ll be hosting Alex now?

I doubt it.



Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro


I've more than tried it. I've been running websites for over twenty years.

And I'm not really sure what your point is, either. Alex Jones already has a website, at http://www.infowars.com, and I'd presume that rather than make it all himself he just hires the back-end infrastructure and uses off-the-shelf software. There's nobody with a monopoly on such services either, so he could easily jump ship to someone else if his current providers wanted rid of him.

The potential problem with the social media giants is entirely down to them being effective monopolies. If you're kicked off, say, Facebook or YouTube, you can't simply go somewhere else because no other platforms offer the same thing. Also, when multiple social media platforms can get together and do it at the same time for entirely arbitrary reasons, you can't even go somewhere else and do something different; that's rather a lot of power concentrated in a few boardrooms.

While, in the case of Alex Jones, it's no great loss to humanity I'd be a little concerned that they could potentially do it to someone else rather more worthy. That's all, really.

I completely disagree that the top social media sites constitute any sort of monopoly.

There are countless sites and platforms across the web where you can share your opinion in a countless number of ways. You are literally doing that right here.

What Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter have is a very large audience. But free speech doesn't mean you are guaranteed an audience.


https://myspace.com
"Walla Walla Bonga!" — Witticism
User avatar
felltoearth
 
Posts: 14762
Age: 56

Canada (ca)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#108  Postby Animavore » Aug 10, 2018 4:15 pm

InfoWars' terms of service totally contradicts its core belief of freedom of speech. 

The website, which conspiracy theorist and self-proclaimed performance artist Alex Jones claims is a legitimate news outlet, has been kicked off of Facebook, YouTube, iTunes, and even Pinterest this week for spreading hateful lies. In response, Jones and his supporters took to one of the last platforms InfoWars hasn't been banned from to lambast the changes: Twitter. 

...InfoWars' terms of service is totally chill with banning "hateful" speech. Their terms of service outlines the limitations for publishing posts and commenting, including anything "libelous, defamatory, harmful, threatening, harassing, abusive, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, racially or ethnically objectionable, or otherwise illegal." 

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/mashable.co ... rship.amp/
A most evolved electron.
User avatar
Animavore
 
Name: The Scribbler
Posts: 45108
Age: 45
Male

Ireland (ie)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#109  Postby Mike_L » Aug 10, 2018 5:23 pm

Everyone's favorite, Jordan Peterson, weighs in on Twitter re YouTube's banning of Alex Jones...

Never persecute someone paranoid, lest you justify his paranoia. This is seriously not good.
User avatar
Mike_L
Banned User
 
Posts: 14455
Male

Country: South Africa
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#110  Postby purplerat » Aug 10, 2018 5:40 pm

There's the alt-right mentality for you; rich white men having to follow the same rules as everybody else = persecution.
User avatar
purplerat
 
Posts: 12949
Male

Country: Only in America
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#111  Postby Mike_L » Aug 10, 2018 5:43 pm

:nod:
User avatar
Mike_L
Banned User
 
Posts: 14455
Male

Country: South Africa
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#112  Postby GrahamH » Aug 10, 2018 6:05 pm

Mike_L wrote:Everyone's favorite, Jordan Peterson, weighs in on Twitter re YouTube's banning of Alex Jones...

Never persecute someone paranoid, lest you justify his paranoia. This is seriously not good.


Put another way, preach your hate-inciting paranoid delusions long and loud enough and you too can fulfill your own prophesy through making everyone utterly sick of your nonsense.
Why do you think that?
GrahamH
 
Posts: 20419

Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#113  Postby Mike_L » Aug 10, 2018 6:10 pm

GrahamH wrote:
Mike_L wrote:Everyone's favorite, Jordan Peterson, weighs in on Twitter re YouTube's banning of Alex Jones...

Never persecute someone paranoid, lest you justify his paranoia. This is seriously not good.


Put another way, preach your hate-inciting paranoid delusions long and loud enough and you too can fulfill your own prophesy through making everyone utterly sick of your nonsense.

I'm sure there's a link to mythology in it somewhere... a thesis on Theseus and the minotaur... and Alex Jones... or something. ;)
User avatar
Mike_L
Banned User
 
Posts: 14455
Male

Country: South Africa
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#114  Postby Alan C » Aug 10, 2018 9:43 pm

I just wanted to speak to the issue of him being banned and therefore people can't comment on them. Unless it's changed recently I've seen that, more often than not, the youtube comments sections tend to devolve into a cesspool of trolls and fuckwittery. It is the last place I would expect to see rational discourse and certainly not in his channel.
Lose it - it means go crazy, nuts, insane, bonzo, no longer in possession of one's faculties, three fries short of a happy meal, WACKO!! - Jack O'Neill
User avatar
Alan C
 
Posts: 3091
Age: 47
Male

New Zealand (nz)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#115  Postby The_Piper » Aug 11, 2018 2:37 am

Mike_L wrote:Everyone's favorite, Jordan Peterson, weighs in on Twitter re YouTube's banning of Alex Jones...

Never persecute someone paranoid, lest you justify his paranoia. This is seriously not good.

Persecute. :lol:
I'm sure he mentioned Jung and Neech-uh in his weigh-in.
"There are two ways to view the stars; as they really are, and as we might wish them to be." - Carl Sagan
"If an argument lasts more than five minutes, both parties are wrong" unknown
Self Taken Pictures of Wildlife
User avatar
The_Piper
 
Name: Fletch F. Fletch
Posts: 30419
Age: 49
Male

Country: Chainsaw Country
United States (us)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#116  Postby Animavore » Aug 11, 2018 8:50 am

Image

Petard. Meet hoist.
A most evolved electron.
User avatar
Animavore
 
Name: The Scribbler
Posts: 45108
Age: 45
Male

Ireland (ie)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#117  Postby LucidFlight » Aug 11, 2018 9:06 am

I also like the paragraph which states:
You will not post anything libelous, defamatory, harmful, threatening, harassing, abusive, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, racially or ethnically objectionable, or otherwise illegal.

https://www.infowars.com/terms-of-service/
OFFICIAL MEMBER: QUANTUM CONSTRUCTOR CONSCIOUSNESS QUALIA KOALA COLLECTIVE.
User avatar
LucidFlight
RS Donator
 
Name: Kento
Posts: 10805
Male

Country: UK/US/AU/SG
United Kingdom (uk)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#118  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Aug 11, 2018 9:09 am

Mike_L wrote:Everyone's favorite, Jordan Peterson, weighs in on Twitter re YouTube's banning of Alex Jones...

Never persecute someone paranoid, lest you justify his paranoia. This is seriously not good.

I can't even :picard:
"Respect for personal beliefs = "I am going to tell you all what I think of YOU, but don't dare retort and tell what you think of ME because...it's my personal belief". Hmm. A bully's charter and no mistake."
User avatar
Thomas Eshuis
 
Name: Thomas Eshuis
Posts: 31091
Age: 34
Male

Country: Netherlands
European Union (eur)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#119  Postby Matt_B » Aug 13, 2018 8:20 am

The_Metatron wrote:Oh, that’s all youtube is doing, is it? “Running a website”?

What kind of load sharing do you run on your websites, F5? Do you prefer physical or virtual servers? Let’s see a snapshot of you in front of one of your multiple redundant data centers.

My point is clear. “Running a website” is nowhere close to what Youtube or Facebook do. Running a website involves layers five through seven of the OSI model. These big outfits that just ejected some ass lint deal with all seven layers.


"YouTube" is basically running a website. Their back-end infrastructure is all Google's; the same company, for sure, but a different division that provides the same services to a lot of other clients.

I'm using NGINX for load sharing and virtual servers myself, and heck, my involvement is only that deep because I'm writing bespoke web applications. If all I was wanting was something to post news stories and videos up on - which is I'm sure the extent of Alex Jones's requirements -I could just hire that all off the shelf without any technical knowledge required.

I've not set foot in a data centre for over a decade though, and I'd assume that that's a trick question as you generally don't need to unless you've got a pressing need to own your hardware and/or an operation big enough to run your own data centers.

And the point I'm making is that you don't need to run all that infrastructure to run a website and that applies to social media giants too. Twitter just moved a whole bunch of its data platforms to Google Cloud earlier in the year, for example. So, despite the YouTube ban, Google will still be sullying their infrastructure with Jones's content, not that that was ever the point of their ban anyway.
"Last night was the most horrific for Kyiv since, just imagine, 1941 when it was attacked by Nazis."
- Sergiy Kyslytsya
User avatar
Matt_B
 
Posts: 4888
Male

Country: Australia
Ukraine (ua)
Print view this post

Re: YouTube Bans InfoWars

#120  Postby Matt_B » Aug 13, 2018 8:50 am

Teague wrote:And you'd be demonstrably wrong. They're not "arbitrary reason" at all and AJ agreed to the rules of YT when he signed up his accounts. He broke those rules and was given a 90 day ban and then tried to circumvent said ban which got him a permanent ban. You should read the article because it says it in there - it's on page one of this thread.


I've read the article again and - while there's the brief public statement I posted up earlier - I seem to have missed the part where they put up the minutes of all the meetings that took place regarding the ban, and how their adjudication was reached. They've not even said which specific rules were broken and what the offending material that crossed the line was. I could probably make a good guess, but that's not really the point; I just want to see these things done fairly and transparently, and if hate speech is worthy of a ban in his case it should be for everyone else who engages in it to a comparable level. There is, after all, rather a lot of it on YT.

Also, YouTube is only one of the four platforms he's been banned from in a very short space of time. Given that he's been pulling this sort of shit for decades doesn't it strike you as a bit more than coincidence that they're all doing it at the same time? Good riddance to him, sure, but I'd be much more confident that this practice won't be abused in the future if we had a clear view of the internal workings.
"Last night was the most horrific for Kyiv since, just imagine, 1941 when it was attacked by Nazis."
- Sergiy Kyslytsya
User avatar
Matt_B
 
Posts: 4888
Male

Country: Australia
Ukraine (ua)
Print view this post

PreviousNext

Return to News, Politics & Current Affairs

Who is online

Users viewing this topic: No registered users and 2 guests

cron