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Re: Are Dogs Atheist?

#341  Postby Sadegh » Sep 18, 2015 3:29 pm

Fallible wrote:So to clarify - you want to stop being able to see my posts while I can still see yours, so I can continue to refute your garbage while you have zero comeback. Thanks, that makes perfect sense.


No, you can continue to try to order me around or bog me down in frivolous bullshit while I'm totally unaware that it's even happening.
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#342  Postby Sadegh » Sep 18, 2015 3:31 pm

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Thomas Eshuis wrote:He also seems to think people will forget he's already been educated on why people might use that expression.


Right, just like the integers are "black".

Yep, because people make the claim that integers are born white, all the time.


That's really quite immaterial to the issue, per se, of whether the integers are black. I have as much grounds for arguing that integers are black because they reflect no light as I do for arguing that babies are atheists because they lack a belief in god (but are nonetheless out of the category of objects considered atheists).

You don't get to balance out one retarded claim with another.
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#343  Postby Sadegh » Sep 18, 2015 3:36 pm

Oldskeptic wrote:Bullshit! You just didn't want to respond to this because it's full of things that you can't refute. Probably over your head a bit.


No it's not over my head.

So, here we have examples of individuals saying folks in the New World don't have any sort of religion, which is as much to the point as Christopher Columbus thinking he had landed in what was it? India? Cathay?

People who are clueless about the natives they are interacting with will wildly misjudge them. News at 11.

Oldskeptic wrote:Now explain how they're all alike and therefore a product of natural selection for having a gene level trait for playing ball games.


Actually come to think of it, it's not nearly every culture that has a ball game of some sort.

Nearly every culture has at least one religion though.
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#344  Postby Sadegh » Sep 18, 2015 3:52 pm

Oldskeptic wrote:If you grew up in a Islamic environment then it prepared you for accepting good and evil spirits and the worship of spirits that need placating. Shinto has that and so does Islam, Christianity, and Judaism. Navajo and Pueblo religions do not.


And this makes them vastly difficult to understand how?

Oldskeptic wrote:No? You're defending an idea that religion can somehow be legitimized by being a beneficial evolutionary adaptation


Oops, there's that is/ought problem.

I don't know if you've noticed but in other threads I've talked a lot about how normal human behavior shaped by evolution needs to be gutted, scrapped and replaced with something else.

I have voiced support for eugenics, something that you are probably aware of, having argued against it to me on these boards, as well as literal ethnic cleansing carried out by robots.

As a result of all of this, you have absolutely no grounds for saying that I'm "defending" religion because I think it's an adaptation of sorts for our now thoroughly irrelevant ancestral environment.

Oldskeptic wrote:You use a psychologist asserting unproven, untested, and un-peer-reviewed nonsense about gene level selection for religion


So it's scholarly papers you want. Very well:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=ad ... sdt=0%2C39

Oh and inb4 b-b-b-but they don't all support your thesis. No shit. Of course they don't. Some certainly do however.

Oldskeptic wrote:an extremely biased Christian


Extremely biased because?
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#345  Postby Fallible » Sep 18, 2015 4:06 pm

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Fallible wrote:So to clarify - you want to stop being able to see my posts while I can still see yours, so I can continue to refute your garbage while you have zero comeback. Thanks, that makes perfect sense.


No, you can continue to try to order me around or bog me down in frivolous bullshit while I'm totally unaware that it's even happening.


So to clarify - you won't be able to see my posts while I can still see yours, so I can continue to refute your garbage while you have zero comeback. Thanks, that makes perfect sense.
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Re: Are Dogs Atheist?

#346  Postby Sadegh » Sep 18, 2015 4:08 pm

Fallible wrote:So to clarify - you won't be able to see my posts while I can still see yours, so I can continue to refute your garbage while you have zero comeback.


For that to matter much to me, I would have to think you ever "refuted" me in the first place.
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#347  Postby Fallible » Sep 18, 2015 4:10 pm

Matter much to you? You can't stop talking to me despite apparently being so eager to stop seeing my posts that you're thinking of getting help to make that happen. Willpower. Develop yours, perhaps.
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Re: Are Dogs Atheist?

#348  Postby Sadegh » Sep 18, 2015 4:16 pm

I'll talk to you until I have a solution here. Having used Python and OCaml frequently in the past years, including at least one project that required XPath (which should be very useful in this case), I don't need help learning JavaScript or implementing a solution that eliminates you from my forum experience.

It's worth pointing out that even though he makes many points that are extremely off-base like claiming 3,500,000 tons of bombs were dropped during WWII or that I'm "defending" religion because I think it's an adaptation, notwithstanding the disgust I've registered for a broad spectrum of normal human behavior here, Oldskeptic is at least sort of interesting to talk to because he shows at least some signs of erudition.

You on the other hand...
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#349  Postby Fallible » Sep 18, 2015 4:20 pm

So to clarify - you don't want to talk to me because I'm not interesting to talk to and haven't shown at least some signs of erudition, but in spite of not wanting to talk to me you keep on talking to me, and apparently really need me to know how you are getting on with your efforts to ignore me. Thanks. That makes perfect sense.
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Re: Are Dogs Atheist?

#350  Postby Sadegh » Sep 18, 2015 4:22 pm

Yeah I'd still like to make you thoroughly aware of my opinion of you in the interim. Why not?
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#351  Postby Fallible » Sep 18, 2015 4:24 pm

No reason at all, Sadegh. You carry on if it means that much to you that I know.
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Re: Are Dogs Atheist?

#352  Postby Sadegh » Sep 18, 2015 4:25 pm

Very well.

Anyhow, are we agreed that the integers are "black"?
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#353  Postby Fallible » Sep 18, 2015 4:32 pm

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#354  Postby Sadegh » Sep 18, 2015 4:34 pm

I'll take that as a yes.
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Re: Are Dogs Atheist?

#355  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Sep 18, 2015 4:36 pm

Sadegh wrote:

It's worth pointing out that even though he makes many points that are extremely off-base like claiming 3,500,000 tons of bombs were dropped during WWII

Keep the off-topic sniping out of this thread Sadegh.
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#356  Postby Thomas Eshuis » Sep 18, 2015 4:36 pm

Sadegh wrote:Very well.

Anyhow, are we agreed that the integers are "black"?

Have you asked everyone under the bridge?
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#357  Postby Fallible » Sep 18, 2015 4:37 pm

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#358  Postby Fallible » Sep 18, 2015 4:38 pm

Sadegh wrote:I'll take that as a yes.


Well duh...
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Re: Are Dogs Atheist?

#359  Postby Sadegh » Sep 18, 2015 4:44 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:Have you asked everyone under the bridge?


I don't know. Are you under the bridge Thomas? In any case, are integers black?
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#360  Postby Ironclad » Sep 18, 2015 4:47 pm

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