quas wrote:

BlackBart wrote:

quas wrote:Christian: Jesus is God.
Muslim: He is not.

And there go the goalposts. Christians claim Jesus and God were one and same. Muslims claim Jesus is merely a prophet and that he and God are separate entities. That does not alter the fact that Muslims and Christians both worship the God of Abraham.


Edit: Missing word syndrome again.

That matters how?

It matters because it's a humpty-dumpty usage of atheism.

Muslims and Christians are as completely irreconcilable as ever. They have vastly different religious practices: praying times, praying rituals, dietary restrictions, etc. They might as well be worshipping totally different gods since both of them consider each other as infidels. Even Muslims and Jews with more similar religious practices and beliefs (circumcision, no eating pork, doesn't believe that Jesus is divine, etc.) don't mix very well at all.

Yes, already know this. But worshipping a different god or is not atheistic towards the other person's god. Atheism is a lack of belief in supernatural deities, that's it. Saying worshipping a different god is atheistic is like saying wearing a different coloured pair of trousers is being naked.
The fact that Muslims, Christians, and come to that, Jews as well, actually worship the same god that revealed itself to Abraham further illustrate that your analogy is flawed. Worshipping the same god a different way isn't atheistic either.

Which is why the word 'intheistic' should be used, as in worshipping a different god is intheistic.

quas wrote:Which is why the word 'intheistic' should be used, as in worshipping a different god is intheistic.

Once again, what was the motivation for augmenting taxonomy? Is the classification of positions vis a vis theism a science? No? I thought not. If not, then what was the motivation? To win an argument on the internet? Semantic hairsplitting for self-labeling? That's more like it. Theism is silly. Done and dusted, unless you have an argument for some serious aspect of theism.

quas wrote:Which is why the word 'intheistic' should be used, as in worshipping a different god is intheistic.

Why do we need to pull a word out of our arse? Especially a word that would be paradoxical and redundant? It would be paradoxical because someone who believes in a different god to someone else is still a theist, so they'd be a 'intheistic theist'. It would be redundant because as there is more than one claimed god, every theist would be intheistic.

Besides, we already have words we can use;
Polytheist - someone believes in more than one god.
Monotheist - someone who believes in one god.
Atheist - someone who lacks belief in any gods.
If we need to differentiate between theists who worship the same god in a different way we can just refer to their sect.

Not sure what the issue is here.

There are more terms that can be used as well, deist, gnostic, agnostic and anti-theist. This itheist/intheist really only seems to be about making out that the person is better than others because of their lack of a belief in a god.

DarthHelmet86 wrote:There are more terms that can be used as well, deist, gnostic, agnostic and anti-theist. This itheist/intheist really only seems to be about making out that the person is better than others because of their lack of a belief in a god.

Ah. An analogue of Dawkin's 'brights' then? That didn't work out too well.

babel wrote:

tuco wrote:Out of curiosity, is anyone proud anything? Because I find the concept of being proud hmm let me rephrase it, I cant imagine being proud (of) anything.

When I'm proud, I am because I have done something, achieved something. I'm never proud of who or what I am.

Really? I do not think I have used the expression: I am proud (of) .. ever in my life.

tuco wrote:

babel wrote:

tuco wrote:Out of curiosity, is anyone proud anything? Because I find the concept of being proud hmm let me rephrase it, I cant imagine being proud (of) anything.

When I'm proud, I am because I have done something, achieved something. I'm never proud of who or what I am.

Really? I do not think I have used the expression: I am proud (of) .. ever in my life.

You say that like you're proud of it

edit: can't believe I committed the your/you're error! At least I'm not too proud too admit it

Paul wrote:

tuco wrote:

babel wrote:

tuco wrote:Out of curiosity, is anyone proud anything? Because I find the concept of being proud hmm let me rephrase it, I cant imagine being proud (of) anything.

When I'm proud, I am because I have done something, achieved something. I'm never proud of who or what I am.

Really? I do not think I have used the expression: I am proud (of) .. ever in my life.

You say that like your proud of it

Paul wrote:

tuco wrote:

babel wrote:

tuco wrote:Out of curiosity, is anyone proud anything? Because I find the concept of being proud hmm let me rephrase it, I cant imagine being proud (of) anything.

When I'm proud, I am because I have done something, achieved something. I'm never proud of who or what I am.

Really? I do not think I have used the expression: I am proud (of) .. ever in my life.

You say that like you're proud of it :wink:

edit: can't believe I committed the your/you're error! At least I'm not too proud too admit it

I said that like .. according to you, but I did not say it in fact so I am not sure what your point is.

It was a joke

Well, at least 2 people got it.

If I make just one person smile today ...

Paul wrote:If I make just one person smile today ...

Yeah, that is something to be proud of ;)

BlackBart wrote:

quas wrote:Which is why the word 'intheistic' should be used, as in worshipping a different god is intheistic.

Why do we need to pull a word out of our arse? Especially a word that would be paradoxical and redundant? It would be paradoxical because someone who believes in a different god to someone else is still a theist, so they'd be a 'intheistic theist'. It would be redundant because as there is more than one claimed god, every theist would be intheistic.

Besides, we already have words we can use;
Polytheist - someone believes in more than one god.
Monotheist - someone who believes in one god.
Atheist - someone who lacks belief in any gods.
If we need to differentiate between theists who worship the same god in a different way we can just refer to their sect.

Not sure what the issue is here.

I thought you understood. Wasn't it you who complained about my "humpty-dumpty usage of atheism"? (post #281) You got confused when I used atheism and intheism interchangeably, and yet you didn't think it necessary to use 'intheism' whenever one needs to differentiate between atheism and intheism?

What in God's name are you babbling on about?! I'm not confused at all thanks. I don't think it's necessary to use the word 'intheism' at all! For anything! And I don't think it's necessary to differentiate between atheism and intheism because there's no such fucking word as 'intheism'!!!

BlackBart wrote: And I don't think it's necessary to differentiate between atheism and intheism because there's no such fucking word as 'intheism'!!!

Oh, come on. The concept of intheism exists (and you don't even seem to deny this). It's not something I invented. If the word to describe the concept of intheism didn't yet exist, then it's only a matter of time until someone invented that word. And, believe it or not, I didn't invent it. Many others before me had done so.

Cool story, Bro.

Who gives an actual shit?