Skinny Puppy wrote:Help Cancer Research by insulting every single male on YouTube!
Now she’ll be able to cherry pick some nasty comments and get invited to a bunch of “Skeptic Conferences” (the last thing those conferences are is skeptical with RW as a speaker) and she’ll have a cute and amusing talk about the rampant misogyny on YouTube and the audience (with piss running down their legs in righteous indignation) will give her a standing ovation and (the audience) will get the prize for the most dull-headed group of dimwits ever in one audience, at one time, west of the Pecos.
Those conferences charge for admission... I won’t attend one of those wank fests if they paid me to go.
Totally agree. I read some of the blogs about it all and I thought "surely they can't be that bad, they're meant to be rational after all". But they are. It's basically agree with every single thing they say or get banned, or you are a MRA, or you hate women (obviously), or you're a rape apologist (I've got no fucking idea what that even means). Either way it's a good place to avoid.
If Rebecca doesn't want to be called a cunt then she shouldn't act like a cunt.
I think that she hasn't been called a cunt enough lately, and she misses the attention. So, she's trying to provoke attention. She almost faded away, but she's back now. Waving her arms and pleading to be internet abused by male atheists. Then she can claim that all male atheist abuse her.
It is rather pathetic.
There is nothing so absurd that some philosopher will not say it - Cicero.
Traditionally these are questions for philosophy, but philosophy is dead - Stephen Hawking
Erin wrote:Rebecca Watson of Skepchick related a story in a vlog about how a man followed her alone into an elevator at 4 a.m. and asked her to his room "for coffee," and explained how uncomfortable that made her.
The anecdote in question starts around 4:30.
Richard Dawkins apparently doesn't think she had any right to complain because other women have it worse. His response:
Dear Muslima
Stop whining, will you. Yes, yes, I know you had your genitals mutilated with a razor blade, and . . . yawn . . . don’t tell me yet again, I know you aren’t allowed to drive a car, and you can’t leave the house without a male relative, and your husband is allowed to beat you, and you’ll be stoned to death if you commit adultery. But stop whining, will you. Think of the suffering your poor American sisters have to put up with.
Only this week I heard of one, she calls herself Skep”chick”, and do you know what happened to her? A man in a hotel elevator invited her back to his room for coffee. I am not exaggerating. He really did. He invited her back to his room for coffee. Of course she said no, and of course he didn’t lay a finger on her, but even so . . .
And you, Muslima, think you have misogyny to complain about! For goodness sake grow up, or at least grow a thicker skin.
Have any of the women here who've been to atheist conferences/meet-ups experienced the type of behavior Watson refers to in the blog linked above? I'd be curious to hear your stories.
Edited because "Watkins" and "Watson" are not the same thing.
Depending on the specific nature of the encounter over and above a man, rather unsubtly by the sounds of it, trying his luck by inviting a woman back to his place, I agree with the sarcasm. It was warranted in my opinion, at least on the face of it. However, I would want to know a bit more about the context in which they met up in that lift at 4am in the morning. If this was the dead of night and there were no other people in the vicinity then he could certainly be characterised as a creep for trying it on in that way as he would have surely had the good grace to know this could understandably freak her out. However, this brief encounter might have been in the context of a vigorous and active night-life in the locality and so people milling around at that time, in that context, might have been entirely typical. I don't know. Which of those scenarios is true would affect my judgement significantly. However, all other things being equal, a man propositions a woman, she turns him down and they go their separate ways without incident. Big deal.
All of the above is obviously based on the woman's testimony being true at least to the extent that she did meet someone in a lift and he did invite her back to his place.
Edit to add:
I've just watched the video and now understand that this man was one of a party of people who were all talking and socialising at a bar and he did not "follow" her, but simply went into the same lift as her on the way back to his own place. He invited her back to his place in a perfectly polite manner, by her own admission, and he turned him down. All without incident. Did he want her to come back to his place to talk further on significant feminist issues as they engaged with the broader atheist diaspora? Or, did he want to get into her knickers if she would let him? Probably the latter, but so what? Young men and young women do have a tendency to find each other sexually attractive and even, on occasion, may try their luck getting inside each other's underwear. This phenomenon is otherwise known as normal/male female human interactions. Where this goes terribly wrong is if coercion is involved. Otherwise, its just normal human behaviour. I am not going to speculate too much on this woman's problem, but she has one and it originates inside inside her had, not outside of it. My guess is that problem is born of a mixture of weird US specific puritanism/a twisted and indiscriminately man-hating form of feminism (in fact I inadvertently insult real feminism by saying that) and a more general sense of entitlement and victimhood that is abroad in the culture. That is to say, an expectation that I am entitled to not have to be made to feel uncomfortable for any reason at any time because i'm worth it".
She needs to get a bloody grip, in other words. The sarcasm of the response, assuming it was even from Dawkins, is entirely appropriate.
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If Rebecca doesn't want to be called a cunt then she shouldn't act like a cunt.
I think that she hasn't been called a cunt enough lately, and she misses the attention. So, she's trying to provoke attention. She almost faded away, but she's back now. Waving her arms and pleading to be internet abused by male atheists. Then she can claim that all male atheist abuse her.
DaveDodo007 wrote:Feminism is an ideology that no right minded skeptic should touch, though we all know atheists are gullible fools.
Feminism isn't 'an' ideology.
It's a word used by different people to describe a whole load of different things, even if there may be certain assumed meanings in particular contexts.
I don't do sarcasm smileys, but someone as bright as you has probably figured that out already.
It's very important that feminism should not be trashed on this thread in the act of trashing the rubbish that this individual woman came out with. If that does happen, then those people doing it are being no better in their indiscriminate trashing of an entire class of people as this woman is in the opposite direction. The fact is, until very recently, women were significantly hindered in leading the lives they were entitled to. Furthermore, despite the gains, there is a nasty trend under way to abuse them again, this time on the back of pornography and the general objectification of them in the media. However, I am bound to say, a lot of women are their own worst enemy in this regard and have some part to play in taking the blame for this development. I guess what I am saying is that feminism is an extremely important part of our culture. Like any cultural phenomenon, though, it has it's loony end.
364 pages and two years later Elevator Guy's lack of finesse is still haunting him. If only he'd been more charming and less drunk none of this would've happened...
Rebecca pushed the button and watched the elevator indicator move downwards. It had been a long, gruelling atheist conference and now, at 4am, she just wanted her bed. The elevator chimed and the doors opened. She was already half-way into the car before she noticed its other occupant. He was a tall, broad shouldered man, a good ten years older than her. Two day stubble covered his chin and accentuated his strong jaw. He had the intellectual brow of a fellow atheist but there was something playful in his eyes.
'Going down?' the stranger asked, his wry grin conveyed a post-modern ironic acknowledgment of the ridiculousness of the crass innuendo rendering it a self-mocking pastiche.
'Up, actually' Rebecca replied, attempting to gain the metaphorical upper hand on a number of levels (and subtlely introducing an elevator gag).
'Oh, well, getting it up won't be a problem. It's just a question of pushing the right buttons.' The grin hadn't moved but one of his eyebrows had arched - sort of like the Quire of Canterbury Cathedral but without the religious significance.
Rebecca felt the intiative slipping away. 'I can do it myself', she stuttered.
'I just bet you can' he returned smoothly. 'But it's always better when someone else does it for you'.
His strong, calloused hand moved towards the row of buttons and hovered over the one labelled "2". 'How's this for you?' he asked.
'A little bit higher' she replied, her voice a little husky.
stevecook172001 wrote:The fact is, until very recently, women were significantly hindered in leading the lives they were entitled to.
Gee, Steve, what lives are people entitled to? When I want your opinion of the Humanist Manifesto, I'll give it to you.
This is, after all, about politics, is it not? People entitle themselves by joining mobs, when they do not inherit wealth. Regardless of which mob wins the sweepstakes, somebody always inherits the wealth.
Хлопнут без некролога. -- Серге́й Па́влович Королёв
Translation by Elbert Hubbard: Do not take life too seriously. You're not going to get out of it alive.
Cthulhu's Trilby wrote:'But it's always better when someone else does it for you'.
And so, at the end of more than 350 pages, what is the basis of that? It's true, but why is it so? The answer reveals that solipsism is the last refuge of the lonely.
Хлопнут без некролога. -- Серге́й Па́влович Королёв
Translation by Elbert Hubbard: Do not take life too seriously. You're not going to get out of it alive.
stevecook172001 wrote:The fact is, until very recently, women were significantly hindered in leading the lives they were entitled to.
Gee, Steve, what lives are people entitled to? When I want your opinion of the Humanist Manifesto, I'll give it to you.
This is, after all, about politics, is it not? People entitle themselves by joining mobs, when they do not inherit wealth. Regardless of which mob wins the sweepstakes, somebody always inherits the wealth.
You appear to be harbouring under the misapprehension that I actually give a flying fuck about whether or not you want my opinion.
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