Do You Promote Atheism?

Sendraks · **#361** by **Sendraks** » Feb 04, 2017 1:27 pm

Dark energy wrote:thomas,so,you want to convince me that we just emerged in this complex universe? out of randomness.

What do you mean by "out of randomness"?

In fact - what do you think "random" means?

Dark energy · **#362** by **Dark energy** » Feb 04, 2017 1:31 pm

Rachel Bronwyn wrote:You are deeply wrong, Dark energy.

I will follow you to the right path :ask:

if you give me some hints. :lol:

Dark energy · **#363** by **Dark energy** » Feb 04, 2017 1:35 pm

random means as far i can understand something/phenomena which we can not predict the outcome for example something which occurs with out definite pattern.

Rachel Bronwyn · **#364** by **Rachel Bronwyn** » Feb 04, 2017 1:41 pm

Dark energy wrote:
Rachel Bronwyn wrote:You are deeply wrong, Dark energy.

I will follow you to the right path if you give me some hints.

I wasn't suggesting the path you're on is wrong. You do you. What I am saying in you're wrong to believe all atheists are believers deep down. Some are just as some people of faith are actually nonbelievers. Lots of us just aren't though. We don't believe in a higher power. That's it and it's ok.

I not even certain what you were asking me to provide you with hints to.

NuclMan · **#365** by **NuclMan** » Feb 04, 2017 1:52 pm

Dark energy wrote:thomas,so,you want to convince me that we just emerged in this complex universe? out of randomness.

Likely not, because it has fuck all to do with Atheism

surreptitious57 · **#366** by **surreptitious57** » Feb 04, 2017 2:38 pm

Random in this context does not mean something occurring entirely by chance
but rather a specific outcome based on the sum total of all possible outcomes

Thomas Eshuis · **#367** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Feb 04, 2017 2:49 pm

Dark energy wrote:thomas,so,you want to convince me that we just emerged in this complex universe? out of randomness.

Several problems with your response:

1. I have not made any claims about the universe of humanity.
2. You're the one who claims it is created. The burden of proof therefore lies with you, not with those who don't accept your claim.
3. Define ' complex universe'.
4. Define randomness.

Thomas Eshuis · **#368** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Feb 04, 2017 2:51 pm

Dark energy wrote:random means as far i can understand something/phenomena which we can not predict the outcome for example something which occurs with out definite pattern.

Since we have only one universe no-one has any basis to declare whether it occurs within or without a pattern.

SafeAsMilk · **#369** by **SafeAsMilk** » Feb 04, 2017 3:46 pm

Dark energy wrote:random means as far i can understand something/phenomena which we can not predict the outcome for example something which occurs with out definite pattern.

Then the universe isn't random, because it demonstrably follows the laws of physics.

Dark energy · **#370** by **Dark energy** » Feb 04, 2017 6:55 pm

Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Dark energy wrote:thomas,so,you want to convince me that we just emerged in this complex universe? out of randomness.

Several problems with your response:

1. I have not made any claims about the universe of humanity.
2. You're the one who claims it is created. The burden of proof therefore lies with you, not with those who don't accept your claim.

well,it is not created i will not believe in a trillion years that it just came out of nowwhere or always existed or through evolution and other stuff .

3. Define ' complex universe'.
a universe which is thought to be governed by physics laws yet some times there laws break down at some points near blackholes,relativistic speeds is a fairly a complex one.the scale are mind blogging to the point that many different difinitions exist for the universe.
GOD is simple,one enity but the universe is not.

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Fallible · **#371** by **Fallible** » Feb 04, 2017 7:37 pm

No, God is supposedly an entity that always existed, but which is complex enough to have created a universe, which you see as being too complex to have always existed. For some reason, you prefer to believe this even more unbelievable scenario. That you will believe that, but won't believe something else, isn't anyone else's problem.

Pebble · **#372** by **Pebble** » Feb 04, 2017 7:53 pm

Dark energy wrote:thomas,so,you want to convince me that we just emerged in this complex universe? out of randomness.

When it comes to the origin of the universe - ignorance is the default position. One can have hypotheses, but that is as far as it goes.
What is your problem with ignorance? Inventing unfalsifiable explanations is not progress toward an answer.

THWOTH · **#373** by **THWOTH** » Feb 04, 2017 9:48 pm

Some of my best friends are random.

Macdoc · **#374** by **Macdoc** » Feb 04, 2017 11:03 pm

some seem to need a soother..

against the cold uncaring universe :roll:

Thomas Eshuis · **#375** by **Thomas Eshuis** » Feb 04, 2017 11:48 pm

Please use the quote function properly.

Dark energy wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
Dark energy wrote:thomas,so,you want to convince me that we just emerged in this complex universe? out of randomness.

Several problems with your response:

1. I have not made any claims about the universe of humanity.
2. You're the one who claims it is created. The burden of proof therefore lies with you, not with those who don't accept your claim.

well,it is not created i will not believe in a trillion years that it just came out of nowwhere or always existed or through evolution and other stuff .

1. That's a false dichotomy.
2. What you believe is irrelevant. Reality isn't based on what either of us believe.
3. You're claiming it is created, it is therefore up to you to demonstrate that it is. Saying you cannot image another option is neither evidence nor a sound argument.

Dark energy wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:
3. Define ' complex universe'.

a universe which is thought to be governed by physics laws yet some times there laws break down at some points near blackholes,relativistic speeds is a fairly a complex one.the scale are mind blogging to the point that many different difinitions exist for the universe.

You haven't actually explained what is complex about. Just asserted it again.

Dark energy wrote:GOD is simple,one enity but the universe is not.

God is a nebulous concept.
'Goddidit' is not answer. It explains nothing.

BWE · **#376** by **BWE** » Feb 05, 2017 12:43 am

Dark energy wrote:thomas,so,you want to convince me that we just emerged in this complex universe? out of randomness.

Aren't you a peach. How about you believe whatever you like and let others do the same?

Cito di Pense · **#377** by **Cito di Pense** » Feb 05, 2017 10:43 am

Dark energy wrote:random means as far i can understand

not far enough

Briton · **#378** by **Briton** » Feb 15, 2017 6:46 pm

I have promoted an atheist viewpoint but I've just seen this;

https://oddshot.tv/s/GEPMcz

Have I been wrong all along?

quas · **#379** by **quas** » Feb 16, 2017 3:23 pm

Dark energy wrote:thomas,so,you want to convince me that we just emerged in this complex universe? out of randomness.

So you want to believe that there is a creator who created us unequal and somehow still loves us all equally?

blackhash · **#380** by **blackhash** » Mar 05, 2017 10:40 am

I support atheism and empiricism in day to day life. I believe in cross cultural dialectics with stress on discussions related to sensual pleasure. I have got to sense it

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