Lion IRC wrote:Game of Pacman
Game entities can exit screen via opening on the left of maze and magically re-enter via opening on the opposite side of the maze - (universe.)

Lion IRC wrote:

Nebogipfel wrote:@[color=#CC0000][b][color=#CC0000][b]lion:[/b][/color][/b][/color]
Without matter, there would be no consciousness, awareness, information, knowledge or words. Take a look in the mirror...

Mr Krauss begs to differ. He says if you take away all matter/energy there would STILL be something.

He has even written a book about that "something".

Anyway........
On a different point about his book, he uses a matrix of dots to try and illustrate the expanding universe and resolve the apparent geocentricity problem. (Everything looks the same in every "direction" no matter which direction we look from Earth.) His example is a 2D graphic and the one I have picked below is 3D (just for emphasis.) Each dot represents a galaxy. The observer in each galaxy "sees" the same thing - all others apparently moving away at an accelerating rate, distance/time inverse proportion, farthest galaxies further apart....etc etc. You get the idea.

BUT...

...he doesnt even seem to attempt a resolution of the idea that there IS a point in an outwardly expanding universe where the observer will see more galaxies when they look in one "direction" than if they look in the opposite "direction".

From a central point somewhere in the universe it might be easy to assert that everything appears the same in every direction ---> maybe that's how it is no matter where you are in the universe ---> maybe space is curved ---> maybe there is no center.

But despite the "matrix of dots" graphics that Mr Krauss uses to illustrate the perspective of one galaxy moving away from every other, this does not inescapably result in a conclusion that everywhere is the center. If anything, his choice of graphic emphasises that - in an expanding universe - there would be galaxies from which the observer would look out and realise they are NOT at the center because of the greater number of galaxies situated to their left as opposed to there being fewer galaxies on their right.

Lion IRC wrote:

Nebogipfel wrote:@[color=#CC0000][b][color=#CC0000][b]lion:[/b][/color][/b][/color]
Without matter, there would be no consciousness, awareness, information, knowledge or words. Take a look in the mirror...

Mr Krauss begs to differ.

He says if you take away all matter/energy there would STILL be something.

He has even written a book about that "something".