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‘The Pill’ means atheism is doomed

#1  Postby Simon_Gardner » Mar 16, 2010 11:52 am

Daily Telegraph wrote:Atheism is doomed: the contraceptive Pill is secularism's cyanide tablet

by Ed West

The 1960s counterculture slogan “make love, not war” could have been invented for the Hutterites, a conservative, pacifist Anabaptist community in the US and Canada. Numbering 400 at the end of the 19th century, when they moved to Dakota on the point of extinction, there are almost 50,000 Hutterites today, despite conversion being extremely rare (they speak an archaic form of High German and live in the middle of nowhere, which makes it unlikely they’ll turn up at your doorstep with a funny grin).

They are not alone. The Mormons continue to grow by 40 per cent every decade, largely thanks to a high birth rate, so much so that by 2080 there will be anywhere between 63 and 267 million Mormons, depending on whether that figure falls to 30 per cent or 50 per cent.

And Evangelical Christians now account for two thirds of white American Protestants, while the ultra-Orthodox account for 17 per cent of British Jewry, but 75 per cent of children.

Across the western world the fertility rate of religious conservatives far outstrips that of non-believers, so much so that modern liberal secularism is endangered. That, anyway, is the thesis of Shall the Religious Inherit the Earth?, a fascinating new book by Eric Kaufmann of Birkbeck University, which is published later this month. It may well be one of the most significant books of our era.

It used to be taken for granted that, just as liberal democracy meant the end of history, so it also meant the end of religion. Once people became rich, educated and sexually liberated, they left irrational beliefs and other such nonsense behind.

Christianity declined steadily from the mid-19th century but it wasn’t until the 1960s that European societies were able to fully abandon the emotional baggage of their civilisation’s infancy, and especially its repressive attitude to sex.

But if what Kaufmann is saying is true – and the demographic data suggests it is – then the contraceptive Pill was not so much secular Europe’s liberation as its cyanide tablet.

The good news is that Europe will not become Islamicised (although Kaufmann’s estimate of 20 or 25 per cent is Islamic enough). The bad news (for some) is that it will become Evangelical Protestant instead. This will at least be encouraging for Israel, although whether it will be the same progressive, secular Israel where gays can serve in the military is another matter, as by the second half of the century the ultra-Orthodox will be the majority.

New Atheists comfort themselves with the idea that religious people will continue to drift their way, like rustics to the city, but the figures do not bear this out. It is true that liberal religious people continue to embrace atheism at a rate that alarms the Roman Catholic, Anglican and Methodist Churches, and Reform synagogues. Once religions start to accept secularism and rationality, their young people usually reach the logical conclusion of doubt – unbelief.

More conservative religions do not have that problem. Only 5 per cent of the more traditional Amish leave the faith, and when a community’s birth rate outstrips the national average by 200 or 300 per cent they can easily afford to lose one in 20 of the flock.

While the likes of Richard Dawkins aim their bile at traditional Christianity, fundamentalists are largely immune to their attacks, and become only stronger as the more committed members of the established churches head their way. Those religions that survive will become more conservative.

God alone knows what will happen to the Church of England this century, but we can safely say that the Catholic Church will become smaller but more committed. It will continue to exist at the margins of an atheist-dominated Europe ruled by an increasingly intolerant secular Left.

Widespread anti-religious feeling will only get more intense as the coming demographic changes outlined by Kaufmann appear to ring true, and as Evangelical Christians start to become more significant in, for example, the British Conservative Party.

But that smaller, more orthodox Catholic Church will have a huge inbuilt advantage – what French Canadian Catholics used to call “revenge of the cradle”. Many orthodox Catholics I know have 3 or 4 children – that’s not a recklessly high number, but in a society where the atheist fertility rate is around 1 child per woman, that advantage will show over a few decades, especially since orthodox Catholics have a far smaller drop-off rate than their liberal brethren.

Much as this will anger the New Atheists, which is a plus, Kaufmann’s thesis is disturbing. Personally I prefer Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, and Anglican civilisation to some of the wackier strains of Evangelical Christianity. As for fundamentalist Islam…

It’s happened before: Kaufmann believes that Christianity’s rise from 40 followers to 6 million within three centuries had less to do with conversions that with higher birth rates, since the Christians rejected such pagan practises as polygamy and infanticide.

Today we view the ancient world’s attitude to infanticide as barbaric and incomprehensible, but perhaps future generations will look at our attitudes to abortion in the same way – that’s not because pro-lifers would have won the argument, simply that (in addition to the effect of the Pill) abortion is killing the atheists of tomorrow.


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Re: ‘The Pill’ means atheism is doomed

#2  Postby Lucy Wiggin » Mar 16, 2010 11:54 am

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#3  Postby Luis Dias » Mar 16, 2010 11:59 am

No he doesn't. Pure mathematical piece of crap. "Idiocracy"? Yeah fucken a.
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#4  Postby MoonLit » Mar 16, 2010 12:00 pm

Sadly for them, if they continue breeding like rabbits, it will just hasten global famine even more and we'll have a mass starvation that will cull the overall population. Once that happens, hopefully the younger generations will have learned from the mistake of their rabid breeding parents made, and learn to keep a more sustainable population.
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#5  Postby Strontium Dog » Mar 16, 2010 12:01 pm

Yeah, the mathematics in this seems all wrong. Does anyone have the time or inclination to properly analyse it?
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#6  Postby babel » Mar 16, 2010 12:17 pm

He presumes that every single child of a religious parent adheres the same religion as its parents and maintains the same rigid doctrine.
I could be wrong, but weren't there findings that showed that agnosticism and atheism had one of the highest 'conversion rates' of all 'beliefs', something that would mess up his calculations.
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#7  Postby Weaver » Mar 16, 2010 12:25 pm

The simple fact that percentages of atheists has been increasing over time refutes his argument.
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#8  Postby Lucy Wiggin » Mar 16, 2010 12:28 pm

Weaver wrote:The simple fact that percentages of atheists has been increasing over time refutes his argument.


Increasing, sure. But are they increasing fast enough? An average Ultra-Orthodox family in Israel has 8 children. If 2 become Atheists, you still have the other 6 to deal with.
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#9  Postby Sciwoman » Mar 16, 2010 12:31 pm

Weaver wrote:The simple fact that percentages of atheists has been increasing over time refutes his argument.

That's what I was thinking also. Just because one's parents belong to a particular faith that does not mean that the children will remain in that faith - or any other for that matter.
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#10  Postby Luis Dias » Mar 16, 2010 12:33 pm

Lucy Wiggin wrote:
Weaver wrote:The simple fact that percentages of atheists has been increasing over time refutes his argument.


Increasing, sure. But are they increasing fast enough? An average Ultra-Orthodox family in Israel has 8 children. If 2 become Atheists, you still have the other 6 to deal with.


Ultra Orthodox families aren't sufficiently numbered to pose a problem (I think!). These fringes always existed.
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#11  Postby Lucy Wiggin » Mar 16, 2010 12:35 pm

Luis Dias wrote:
Lucy Wiggin wrote:
Weaver wrote:The simple fact that percentages of atheists has been increasing over time refutes his argument.


Increasing, sure. But are they increasing fast enough? An average Ultra-Orthodox family in Israel has 8 children. If 2 become Atheists, you still have the other 6 to deal with.


Ultra Orthodox families aren't sufficiently numbered to pose a problem (I think!). These fringes always existed.


They're just an example. Sarah Palin has 5 children. One already has a child. How many Atheists have five children?
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#12  Postby Luis Dias » Mar 16, 2010 12:36 pm

Yes, "Idiocracy" all over it.

I still think the horizontal transfers of meme propagation are much faster and much more important than "breeding".
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#13  Postby Weaver » Mar 16, 2010 12:38 pm

As someone above pointed out, atheists don't only come from atheist parents (informal sampling here indicates somewhat under 50%). Percentages of orthodox religious within the overall population has been decreasing over time, in spite of higher birth rates, while percentage of atheist/agnostic/no-religion has been increasing. So, in the end, the higher birth rates of orthodox religious types isn't leading to them "taking over".
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#14  Postby Lucy Wiggin » Mar 16, 2010 12:38 pm

Luis Dias wrote:Yes, "Idiocracy" all over it.

I still think the horizontal transfers of meme propagation are much faster and much more important than "breeding".


Again, you'll have to horizontally transfer the Atheist memes to lots of people. If two of Sarah Palin's kids (she's just an example, so let's ignore the DS kid) become Atheists, you still have three more good Christians to deal with. Same thing about Muslims or Jews or whatever.
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#15  Postby Simon_Gardner » Mar 16, 2010 12:40 pm

Ed West is always batshit crazy. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

Along with his stablemates George Pitcher and Damian Thompson. I don’t know which one is crazier. :scratch:
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#16  Postby Made of Stars » Mar 16, 2010 12:47 pm

Let them breed - we'll be happy to give them a nice secular edumacation. :grin:
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#17  Postby Paul G » Mar 16, 2010 1:08 pm

Hopefully they'll soon realise they can't just spit out babies constantly, there's only so much of this planet to go round.
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#18  Postby Made of Stars » Mar 16, 2010 1:11 pm

Paul G wrote:Hopefully they'll soon realise they can't just spit out babies constantly, there's only so much of this planet to go round.

Not likely. The world's going to end tomorrow, remember?
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#19  Postby Paul G » Mar 16, 2010 1:13 pm

Made of Stars wrote:
Paul G wrote:Hopefully they'll soon realise they can't just spit out babies constantly, there's only so much of this planet to go round.

Not likely. The world's going to end tomorrow, remember?


Good point. It doesn't really matter if the Christians are spitting out sprogs, they're all getting some major rapturing soon.
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#20  Postby MoonLit » Mar 16, 2010 1:18 pm

Paul G wrote:
Made of Stars wrote:
Paul G wrote:Hopefully they'll soon realise they can't just spit out babies constantly, there's only so much of this planet to go round.

Not likely. The world's going to end tomorrow, remember?


Good point. It doesn't really matter if the Christians are spitting out sprogs, they're all getting some major rapturing soon.


It would be very funny if all the "Liberal" Christians were the only ones raptured, leaving behind the Fundies. They'd be both shocked and confused! :lol:
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