"What? You're going to give me 3 million dollars to make some shit up? No problem!"

John Platko wrote:It seems to assume that there is a supernatural to experience.

Mine goes to 'eleven'.

John Platko wrote:Perhaps there are obvious assumptions about "the supernatural" being something that is imagined that is understood by those closely associated with the project.

Perhaps there are obvious approaches to assuming the conclusion. Two mil to document what is already 'understood', whatever the fuck that denotes for supernaturalists? Sure, John. Experience and understanding. Same thing. You just can't explain that. Or maybe you can, and explain it as experience that is understood immediately. Too bad you didn't manage to say it first, but those are the breaks. Still doesn't denote anything, but it now includes 'immediacy'.

So then we have the 'supernatural' as some sort of 'immediate gratification'. Now we've closed the net around psychobabble.

Cito di Pense wrote:

John Platko wrote:It seems to assume that there is a supernatural to experience.

Mine goes to 'eleven'.

John Platko wrote:Perhaps there are obvious assumptions about "the supernatural" being something that is imagined that is understood by those closely associated with the project.

Perhaps there are obvious approaches to assuming the conclusion. Two mil to document what is already 'understood', whatever the fuck that denotes for supernaturalists? Sure, John. Experience and understanding. Same thing. You just can't explain that. Or maybe you can, and explain it as experience that is understood immediately. Too bad you didn't manage to say it first, but those are the breaks.

Indeed! But on the bright side, there's also:

We hypothesize that different cultural understandings of the mind—specifically, how separate the mind is from the world, how important inner experience is held to be, and how real the imagination is held to be—shape the way people pay attention to and interpret events they deem supernatural.

Which reminds me of what I've been saying here for a long time.

from

Eyewitness testimony is classified as "religious evidence" if a "religious individual", "religious group", or "religious organization" deems (deem is an operation that makes the appropriate class assignment) the evidence to be "religious evidence".

Or more technically phrased:

from

The Development of Religious Ideas

Let ALL_RE be the set of all R_E. a∈ALL_RE if a R_I, R_O, or R_G performs the operation DEEM on a, where the operation DEEM adds element a to set All_RE.

Deeming is a very important operation for flushing out the supernatural.

Still doesn't denote anything, but it now includes 'immediacy'.

So then we have the 'supernatural' as some sort of 'immediate gratification'. Now we've closed the net around psychobabble.

This is an interesting psychobabble sentence but I feel quite certain that prayer dose not require the person praying to examine their thoughts. The examining part is optional and most opt out - according to my mixed method studies.

Prayer, for example, requires the person praying to examine their thoughts and, often, to understand thoughts and other mental events in particular ways.

And this is a bit of outstanding wordsmithing.

we will take a mixed methods, multi-phase approach, combining participant observation, semi-structured interviews, quantitative surveys, and experimental research.

Oh it's never good for me to participate in these threads beyond the 100 page mark, after that I start getting too skeptical.

John Platko wrote:Deeming is a very important operation for flushing out the supernatural.

Indeed, but there's deeming and then there's some poor dim fuck just being too fucking stupid or uneducated to find the right name for whatever some poor dim fuck is deeming 'supernatural'. Beyond that, there's saying 'supernatural' while deeming otherwise. That's not exactly lying, or lying to oneself, or anything like that, but using fancy language to describe the speech productions that emerge from a state of pig-ignorance is something we could call 'political rehabilitation', the way the commies used to do it. We could say that the Templeton Foundation's principal function is political rehabilitation. There is just nothing like a couple of million dollars to turn the study of what comes out of the mouths of the pig ignorant into something deemed respectable.

Cito di Pense wrote:

John Platko wrote:It seems to assume that there is a supernatural to experience.

Mine goes to 'eleven'.

...

Now that's an amp.


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Cito di Pense wrote:

John Platko wrote:Deeming is a very important operation for flushing out the supernatural.

Indeed, but there's deeming and then there's some poor dim fuck just being too fucking stupid or uneducated to find the right name for whatever some poor dim fuck is deeming 'supernatural'. Beyond that, there's saying 'supernatural' while deeming otherwise. That's not exactly lying, or lying to oneself, or anything like that, but using fancy language to describe the speech productions that emerge from a state of pig-ignorance is something we could call 'political rehabilitation', the way the commies used to do it. We could say that the Templeton Foundation's principal function is political rehabilitation. There is just nothing like a couple of million dollars to turn the study of what comes out of the mouths of the pig ignorant into something deemed respectable.

It doesn't hurt to jazz up the respectability of the "couple of million dollars" with a bit of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqoIHkASer4

John Platko wrote:Or more technically phrased:

I hear that if you put two coconuts to your ears and babble into a twig, cargo will miraculously arrive.

VazScep wrote:

John Platko wrote:Or more technically phrased:

I hear that if you put two coconuts to your ears and babble into a twig, cargo will miraculously arrive.

A home remedy for removing ear wax? Not exactly a placebo.

John Platko wrote:

VazScep wrote:

John Platko wrote:Or more technically phrased:

I hear that if you put two coconuts to your ears and babble into a twig, cargo will miraculously arrive.

A home remedy for removing ear wax? Not exactly a placebo.

Maybe I should have put it in technical terms.

VazScep wrote:

John Platko wrote:

VazScep wrote:

John Platko wrote:Or more technically phrased:

I hear that if you put two coconuts to your ears and babble into a twig, cargo will miraculously arrive.

A home remedy for removing ear wax? Not exactly a placebo.

Maybe I should have put it in technical terms.

How much more technical can you get with what to do with two coconuts and a twig?

John Platko wrote:

VazScep wrote:

John Platko wrote:

VazScep wrote:I hear that if you put two coconuts to your ears and babble into a twig, cargo will miraculously arrive.

A home remedy for removing ear wax? Not exactly a placebo.

Maybe I should have put it in technical terms.

How much more technical can you get with what to do with two coconuts and a twig?

I'm sure I could phrase it in terms of set theory and throw in some symbols. Then profit, right?

VazScep wrote:

John Platko wrote:

VazScep wrote:

John Platko wrote:

A home remedy for removing ear wax? Not exactly a placebo.

Maybe I should have put it in technical terms.

How much more technical can you get with what to do with two coconuts and a twig?

I'm sure I could phrase it in terms of set theory and throw in some symbols. Then profit, right?

I have no idea how much profit you are capable of squeezing out of two coconuts and a twig.

EXACTLY

VazScep wrote:EXACTLY

Ah cargo cults. Is the claim now that indigenous peoples of the pacific are better off for mimicking air traffic controllers to have goods come out of the sky when none will come?

lucek wrote:Ah cargo cults. Is the claim now that indigenous peoples of the pacific are better off for mimicking air traffic controllers to have goods come out of the sky when none will come?

Pragmatism!