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Fallible wrote:I wonder how often she’s driven to a swift sherry by The Big Lebowski...
jamest wrote:
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Yes.
I do, yeah. I wouldn't even be here if that wasn't the case, taking abuse from the likes of yourself on a regular basis.
So, what's worth knowing? Just the truth of yourself, essentially.
Knowing that amounts to everything worth knowing.
the Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with low ability at a task overestimate their ability. It is related to the cognitive bias of illusory superiority and comes from the inability of people to recognize their lack of ability. Without the self-awareness of metacognition, people cannot objectively evaluate their competence or incompetence.
As described by social psychologists David Dunning and Justin Kruger, the bias results from an internal illusion in people of low ability and from an external misperception in people of high ability; that is, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."
FBM wrote:Seems most likely to me that the sense of free will is closely related to the sense of agency that is produced in the parietal lobe (left, IIRC). I don't see any reason to think that it corresponds to anything in particular; it's just a sensation.
There's the work that Libet did that strongly suggests that decisions are made prior to conscious awareness of them. More recently, John-Dylan Haynes, et al, did some experiments that seem to show that decisions can happen unconsciously up to 10 seconds prior to conscious awareness of them. http://brainandlearning.blogspot.com/2008/04/do-we-have-freewill.html
CdeLosada wrote:
I’ve never understood why these experiments are supposed to have any relevance to the notion of free will. All they show is that sometimes we may make choices unconsciously. So what? Making them consciously doesn’t change the fact that everything is predetermined...
CdeLosada wrote:
And by the way, to adduce that quantum-mechanics randomness may open a window for free will is nonsense. If subject to quantum-mechanics randomness, our will would just act randomly—it would still not be “free”.
Scarlett and Ironclad wrote:Campermon,...a middle aged, middle class, Guardian reading, dad of four, knackered hippy, woolly jumper wearing wino and science teacher.
campermon wrote:CdeLosada wrote:
I’ve never understood why these experiments are supposed to have any relevance to the notion of free will. All they show is that sometimes we may make choices unconsciously. So what? Making them consciously doesn’t change the fact that everything is predetermined...
No it's not!CdeLosada wrote:
And by the way, to adduce that quantum-mechanics randomness may open a window for free will is nonsense. If subject to quantum-mechanics randomness, our will would just act randomly—it would still not be “free”.
Perhaps not 'randomly', but probabilistically.
Maybe we don't exactly have free will, but probabilistic will?
CdeLosada wrote:
If we could magically rewind time and you go back to where you were before deciding to go for a walk, would you choose differently? How so? Quantum randomness maybe? But then, are you choosing “freely”?
Scarlett and Ironclad wrote:Campermon,...a middle aged, middle class, Guardian reading, dad of four, knackered hippy, woolly jumper wearing wino and science teacher.
campermon wrote:I have no problem with accepting that free will is just an illusion. I guess it had some evolutionary advantage somewhere down the line?
Scarlett and Ironclad wrote:Campermon,...a middle aged, middle class, Guardian reading, dad of four, knackered hippy, woolly jumper wearing wino and science teacher.
campermon wrote:CdeLosada wrote:
If we could magically rewind time and you go back to where you were before deciding to go for a walk, would you choose differently? How so? Quantum randomness maybe? But then, are you choosing “freely”?
Yes, the subject may believe they have freely chosen to go for a walk but have merely succumbed to most probable act of doing so.
I have no problem with accepting that free will is just an illusion. I guess it had some evolutionary advantage somewhere down the line?
zoon wrote:If an individual who has broken a rule was coerced into doing so, then there’s no point in going to the trouble of punishing them.
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