Your questions have been fully answered, you just cant admit it.Animavore wrote:pl0bs wrote:You know when you just wake up, you may have this sleepy feeling and barely sense the difference between light and dark, you have (almost) no sense of self, you have no memories in mind, no fullblown 3D color vision of 150 different objects around you, etc. That is a simpler conscious state (because less experiences and less variety in them), then if you were completely awake. The ultimate simple conscious state may be a fully undifferentiated experience. The brain is like a prism that diffracts the simple state into the complex human one.Animavore wrote:pl0bs wrote:Its quite amazing, but humans have brains, and they differ from brains of other animals.
Yes. I know humans have brains, and those brains are rather complex, more complex than others. But I'm not talking about brains. I'm talking about that non-physical stuff you call 'C'.
Can you answer the questions posed?
How? I'm asking you how questions here and you are answering with just-so stories.
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#402 by Animavore » May 28, 2015 4:53 pm
pl0bs wrote:Your questions have been fully answered, you just cant admit it.Animavore wrote:pl0bs wrote:You know when you just wake up, you may have this sleepy feeling and barely sense the difference between light and dark, you have (almost) no sense of self, you have no memories in mind, no fullblown 3D color vision of 150 different objects around you, etc. That is a simpler conscious state (because less experiences and less variety in them), then if you were completely awake. The ultimate simple conscious state may be a fully undifferentiated experience. The brain is like a prism that diffracts the simple state into the complex human one.Animavore wrote:
Yes. I know humans have brains, and those brains are rather complex, more complex than others. But I'm not talking about brains. I'm talking about that non-physical stuff you call 'C'.
Can you answer the questions posed?
How? I'm asking you how questions here and you are answering with just-so stories.
Not it hasn't. What you gave is nothing like a how answer. There's no explanation of what 'C' is. There's no mechanism proposed by which the brain diffracts C from a simple state to a complex one. There's no reason given why a human brain is better at this than that of other animals. You haven't proposed how brains and C even relate to one another.
You haven't even begun to answer my questions. My questions demand papers. Experiments. Evidence. Demonstration. Diagrams. Schematics. Falsification. Theory. Hypothesis. Where in your pitiful excuse for an answer have you even touched on any of this?
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#403 by pl0bs » May 28, 2015 6:03 pm
Just read any neuroscience paper, it will support my statements.Animavore wrote:pl0bs wrote:Your questions have been fully answered, you just cant admit it.Animavore wrote:pl0bs wrote:You know when you just wake up, you may have this sleepy feeling and barely sense the difference between light and dark, you have (almost) no sense of self, you have no memories in mind, no fullblown 3D color vision of 150 different objects around you, etc. That is a simpler conscious state (because less experiences and less variety in them), then if you were completely awake. The ultimate simple conscious state may be a fully undifferentiated experience. The brain is like a prism that diffracts the simple state into the complex human one.
How? I'm asking you how questions here and you are answering with just-so stories.
Not it hasn't. What you gave is nothing like a how answer. There's no explanation of what 'C' is. There's no mechanism proposed by which the brain diffracts C from a simple state to a complex one. There's no reason given why a human brain is better at this than that of other animals. You haven't proposed how brains and C even relate to one another.
You haven't even begun to answer my questions. My questions demand papers. Experiments. Evidence. Demonstration. Diagrams. Schematics. Falsification. Theory. Hypothesis. Where in your pitiful excuse for an answer have you even touched on any of this?
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#404 by Animavore » May 28, 2015 6:05 pm
pl0bs wrote:Just read any neuroscience paper, it will support my statements.Animavore wrote:
Not it hasn't. What you gave is nothing like a how answer. There's no explanation of what 'C' is. There's no mechanism proposed by which the brain diffracts C from a simple state to a complex one. There's no reason given why a human brain is better at this than that of other animals. You haven't proposed how brains and C even relate to one another.
You haven't even begun to answer my questions. My questions demand papers. Experiments. Evidence. Demonstration. Diagrams. Schematics. Falsification. Theory. Hypothesis. Where in your pitiful excuse for an answer have you even touched on any of this?
I have read plenty on neuroscience. None of them talk about diffracting C like a prism. That statement doesn't even make any sense with regards to what I know about neuroscience. If you think any neuroscientific paper backs this claim then it's up to you to provide it.
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#405 by newolder » May 28, 2015 6:11 pm
A search on: The brain is like a prism, neuroscience
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returned neurobollocks: https://neurobollocks.wordpress.com/201 ... n-mapping/
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#406 by Animavore » May 28, 2015 6:13 pm
There's a "contact neurobollocks" tab. I'm tempted to submit pl0bs' "work".
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#407 by pl0bs » May 28, 2015 6:52 pm
Oh? Neuroscience doesnt agree that brain and mind interact? Strokes must be little miracles affecting our souls then.Animavore wrote:pl0bs wrote:Just read any neuroscience paper, it will support my statements.Animavore wrote:pl0bs wrote:Your questions have been fully answered, you just cant admit it.
Not it hasn't. What you gave is nothing like a how answer. There's no explanation of what 'C' is. There's no mechanism proposed by which the brain diffracts C from a simple state to a complex one. There's no reason given why a human brain is better at this than that of other animals. You haven't proposed how brains and C even relate to one another.
You haven't even begun to answer my questions. My questions demand papers. Experiments. Evidence. Demonstration. Diagrams. Schematics. Falsification. Theory. Hypothesis. Where in your pitiful excuse for an answer have you even touched on any of this?
I have read plenty on neuroscience. None of them talk about diffracting C like a prism. That statement doesn't even make any sense with regards to what I know about neuroscience. If you think any neuroscientific paper backs this claim then it's up to you to provide it.
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#408 by pl0bs » May 28, 2015 6:53 pm
Feel free to debunk this analogy.
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#409 by GrahamH » May 28, 2015 9:47 pm
A pl0bs topic hits a new record low.
Why do you think that?
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#410 by GrahamH » May 29, 2015 5:09 am
The analogy is debunked-
Discard 'Brain'. Leave it as planet, or pile of shit, or galaxy. Bigger mass = bigger dent. The analogy implies galaxies are hyper conscious entities having their own private subjective experiences of what it's like to be a galaxy, and simultaneously every part with mass must be having its own private experience of what is like to be that individual bit, all the way down to atoms. It implies that Human are less conscious than big rocks.
Also, of course, gravity is not private subjective, so the analogy completely ignores the essential characteristic of consciousness.
As pl0bs like to say 'pwned'.
Back to ignoring pl0bs' utter drivel.
Discard 'Brain'. Leave it as planet, or pile of shit, or galaxy. Bigger mass = bigger dent. The analogy implies galaxies are hyper conscious entities having their own private subjective experiences of what it's like to be a galaxy, and simultaneously every part with mass must be having its own private experience of what is like to be that individual bit, all the way down to atoms. It implies that Human are less conscious than big rocks.
Also, of course, gravity is not private subjective, so the analogy completely ignores the essential characteristic of consciousness.
As pl0bs like to say 'pwned'.
Back to ignoring pl0bs' utter drivel.
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#411 by Animavore » May 29, 2015 6:31 am
pl0bs wrote:Oh? Neuroscience doesnt agree that brain and mind interact? Strokes must be little miracles affecting our souls then.Animavore wrote:pl0bs wrote:Just read any neuroscience paper, it will support my statements.Animavore wrote:
Not it hasn't. What you gave is nothing like a how answer. There's no explanation of what 'C' is. There's no mechanism proposed by which the brain diffracts C from a simple state to a complex one. There's no reason given why a human brain is better at this than that of other animals. You haven't proposed how brains and C even relate to one another.
You haven't even begun to answer my questions. My questions demand papers. Experiments. Evidence. Demonstration. Diagrams. Schematics. Falsification. Theory. Hypothesis. Where in your pitiful excuse for an answer have you even touched on any of this?
I have read plenty on neuroscience. None of them talk about diffracting C like a prism. That statement doesn't even make any sense with regards to what I know about neuroscience. If you think any neuroscientific paper backs this claim then it's up to you to provide it.
Actually, no. It doens't agree that mind and body interact. It doens't say anything about whether mind is something seperate to body. In fact, it seems unlikely.
You still haven't produced the paper which shows that 'C' is a thing in itself and the brain defracts it like a prism; which is what I actually asked you.
You're wasting my time.
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#412 by Animavore » May 29, 2015 6:33 am
pl0bs wrote:Feel free to debunk this analogy.
Fell free to demonstrate the two are analogous.
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#413 by GrahamH » May 29, 2015 7:23 am
Why do you think that?
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#414 by pl0bs » May 29, 2015 7:59 am
Its an analogy. You just half-debunked yourself (not fully!) by not understanding what an analogy is. It being an analogy means i didnt actually say that consciousness = spacetime.GrahamH wrote:The analogy is debunked-
Discard 'Brain'. Leave it as planet, or pile of shit, or galaxy. Bigger mass = bigger dent. The analogy implies galaxies are hyper conscious entities having their own private subjective experiences of what it's like to be a galaxy, and simultaneously every part with mass must be having its own private experience of what is like to be that individual bit, all the way down to atoms. It implies that Human are less conscious than big rocks.
Also, of course, gravity is not private subjective, so the analogy completely ignores the essential characteristic of consciousness.
As pl0bs like to say 'pwned'.
Back to ignoring pl0bs' utter drivel.
Btw, you are assuming that there is some unchanging core self that is having experiences. Where is your evidence of this?
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#415 by pl0bs » May 29, 2015 8:11 am
So you are saying that mind is physical, yet it doesnt interact with other physical things? How does that work? Is it like a particle that exists in a seperate dimension? Do you have any neuroscience papers to support this?Animavore wrote:Actually, no. It doens't agree that mind and body interact. It doens't say anything about whether mind is something seperate to body. In fact, it seems unlikely.
Huh, what do you mean C is a "thing in itself"?You still haven't produced the paper which shows that 'C' is a thing in itself and the brain defracts it like a prism; which is what I actually asked you.
You're wasting my time.
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#416 by pl0bs » May 29, 2015 8:12 am
Feel free to debunk it.
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#417 by Animavore » May 29, 2015 8:22 am
pl0bs wrote:So you are saying that mind is physical, yet it doesnt interact with other physical things? How does that work? Is it like a particle that exists in a seperate dimension? Do you have any neuroscience papers to support this?
I can't answer your question because it doesn't reflect what I said at all.
Most papers on neurology say nothing about whether 'mind' is physical or immaterial. They just talk about cause and effect between brain activity and actions of the subject (you see red and this part lights up on the MRI).
pl0bs wrote:Huh, what do you mean C is a "thing in itself"?
What do you mean by it to say C is a thing? Don't try turn your grilling back on me. I'm asking the questions here. You still haven't answered them.
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#418 by Animavore » May 29, 2015 8:23 am
Debunk what? You haven't described how they are analogous.
I don't think you really understand this topic at all. I'm not sure what makes you think you have any authority to speak on it. Are you a neurologist?
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#419 by pl0bs » May 29, 2015 8:30 am
In the analogy above, individual minds are not actually individual. The brain interacts with simple C in such a way that it results in the human perspective. It is constantly bombarded with a neverending stream of different experiences and information, C becomes focused on it, creating the illusion of being a seperate unified entity.
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Re: Multiple consciousnesses in one body
#420 by pl0bs » May 29, 2015 8:33 am
You just said that mind doesnt interact with brain. Yet if mind = brain, your position implies that brain doesnt even interact with itself. Pwned.Animavore wrote:pl0bs wrote:So you are saying that mind is physical, yet it doesnt interact with other physical things? How does that work? Is it like a particle that exists in a seperate dimension? Do you have any neuroscience papers to support this?
I can't answer your question because it doesn't reflect what I said at all.
Most papers on neurology say nothing about whether 'mind' is physical or immaterial. They just talk about cause and effect between brain activity and actions of the subject (you see red and this part lights up on the MRI).
I didnt say C is a thing?What do you mean by it to say C is a thing? Don't try turn your grilling back on me. I'm asking the questions here. You still haven't answered them.
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